Calc stationary points question

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The discussion revolves around finding the coordinates of stationary points for the function y = (c*e^d) / (x^d + 1), where c and d are positive integers greater than one. Participants are exploring why general coordinates for the stationary points may not be obtainable.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the function, with one mentioning the use of the quotient rule. There are questions about the implications of the derivative being zero or undefined, and what this means for stationary points.

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Some participants have provided correct differentiation and are considering the implications of the stationary points. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the derivative equals zero or does not exist, and how this relates to the function's behavior.

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Participants are working under the constraints that c and d are positive integers greater than one, which may influence the nature of the stationary points being discussed.

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c and d are positive integers greater than one

y = (c*e^d) / (x^d +1)

I need to try and find the co-ordinates for stationary point. apparently the general co-ordinates for the SP are not possible to find and i must explain why?

help aprectiatedohh where i am up to... i think i got x^(d-1) = 0
wat u guys get?
 
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meee said:
c and d are positive integers greater than one

y = (c*e^d) / (x^d +1)

I need to try and find the co-ordinates for stationary point. apparently the general co-ordinates for the SP are not possible to find and i must explain why?

help aprectiated


ohh where i am up to... i think i got x^(d-1) = 0
wat u guys get?

What do you get when you differentiate the expression? Do you know chain rule?
 
i used quotient rule

[ (x^d +1)(0) - (ce^d)(dx^(d-1)) ] / [ (x^d +1)^2 ]

= -ce^ddx^(d-1)) / (x^d +1)^2
 
That's correct :smile:

I can only see x=0 for the constraints you give which gives y as...
 
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At a stationary point, either the derivative is 0 or the derivative does not exist. A fraction is 0 only if the numerator is 0 and "does not exist" only if the denominator is 0. What does that tell you about stationary points for this function? What about the value of the function at that value of x?
 
thanks j77 :)

HMMm hallsoivy nice thinking, i like it
stationary points of this function...
derivative is 0 when -c(e^d)dx^(d-1) = 0...
-c(e^d)d cannot = 0,
so x^(d-1) = 0...and then?

What about the value of the function at that value of x?
wats this?
 
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