Calculate Change in Volume of Seawater at 10.9 km Depth

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The problem involves calculating the change in volume of seawater at a depth of 10.9 km in the Challenger Deep, where the pressure is significantly higher than at the surface. The original poster presents a scenario involving the bulk modulus and compressibility of seawater, along with specific pressure values.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between pressure, volume, and the bulk modulus, with some questioning the definitions and roles of compressibility and bulk modulus in the calculations. There are attempts to derive the change in volume using the given parameters.

Discussion Status

Several participants express confusion regarding the calculations and the definitions of variables. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of the bulk modulus and compressibility, with some participants noting discrepancies in their results and questioning the validity of their approaches.

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Participants are working under the assumption that they must use the provided values for pressure and the bulk modulus of seawater, while also grappling with potential typos and misinterpretations in their equations.

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Homework Statement



In the Challenger Deep of the Marianas Trench, the depth of seawater is 10.9 km and the pressure is 1.16\times10^8 Pa (about 1.15\times10^3 atm).

If a cubic meter of water is taken from the surface to this depth, what is the change in its volume? (Normal atmospheric pressure is about 1.0\times10^5 Pa. Assume that for seawater k is 45.8\times10^{-11}/Pa.)

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I assumed that \rho_0V_0=\rho V, but that is not true. So, I don't know what to do.

The Attempt at a Solution



The above was my attempt, resulting in a change in volume of 0.091 m3, which didn't work.
 
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They give you the bulk modulus k for the water and the change in pressure and the volume, don't they? So ...
 
LowlyPion said:
They give you the bulk modulus k for the water and the change in pressure and the volume, so ...

K=-V\delta\rho/\delta V\rightarrow\Delta V=-V\Delta\rho/k?
 
asleight said:
K=-V\delta\rho/\delta V\rightarrow\Delta V=-V\Delta\rho/k?

Sorry. I think I misspoke. I think k is the compressibility, which is the reciprocal of the bulk modulus.
 
LowlyPion said:
Sorry. I think I misspoke. I think k is the compressibility, which is the reciprocal of the bulk modulus.

That sounds better.
 
I got a \Delta V > V...
 
asleight said:
I got a \Delta V > V...

I don't think so.

\Delta v = \Delta p*v*k = (1.15*10^3 Pa)*(1 m^3)*(45.8*10^{-11} /Pa)
 
LowlyPion said:
I don't think so.

\Delta v = \Delta p*v*k = (1.15*10^3 Pa)*(1 m^3)*(45.8*10^{-11} /Pa)

Something's wrong... I've solved and got -5.3\times10^{-2}. It's completely wrong.
 
asleight said:
Something's wrong... I've solved and got -5.3\times10^{-2}. It's completely wrong.

That's what I get. And that seems about right at about 5% smaller. (Ignore the typo from the earlier equation, I just wrote in the value I scanned from the problem and switched the atm and Pa values.)
 
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LowlyPion said:
That's what I get. And that seems about right at about 5% smaller. (Ignore the typo from the earlier equation, I just wrote in the value I scanned from the problem and switched the atm and Pa values.)

\Delta V=-k\Delta pV=-\frac{4.58\times10^{-11}}{Pa}\frac{1.16\times10^8 Pa-1.0\times10^5 Pa}{1}\frac{1m^3}{1}=-0.00531m^2 right?
 
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asleight said:
\Delta V=-k\Delta pV=-\frac{4.58\times10^{-11}}{Pa}\frac{1.16\times10^8 Pa-1.0\times10^5 Pa}{1}\frac{1m^3}{1}=-0.00531m^2 right?

I think it's 45.8 not 4.58

\Delta V=-k*\Delta p*V = -(\frac{45.8\times10^{-11}}{Pa})*(\frac{1.16\times10^8 Pa-1.0\times10^5 Pa}{ })*(\frac{1m^3}{ }) = -0.0531m^3
 

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