Volume Change by Pressure: How Does Pressure Affect the Volume of an Object?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a coin at a depth of 5000m in water, focusing on how pressure affects volume changes. The subject area includes concepts from fluid mechanics and thermodynamics, particularly the effects of pressure and temperature on volume.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for coefficients related to bulk modulus and thermal expansion. There are attempts to apply Boyle's law and Charles's law, but some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed without knowing the temperature. Questions arise regarding the volume change of solids under pressure and the appropriate equations to use.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for specific coefficients and the importance of understanding the properties of materials under pressure and temperature changes. However, there is no explicit consensus on how to calculate the volume change.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of information regarding temperature at the specified depth, which is crucial for calculations. There is also a recognition that the problem involves a solid rather than a gas, which may affect the application of certain laws.

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Homework Statement


It is necessary to calculate the volume of the coin which has mass 25 kg and how does change its volume when it is necessary to calculate its volume at a depth of 5000m. Compare volume change by pressure with the volume change by pressure with the Volume change by temperature.

Homework Equations


volume at surface, M=25kg ρ=m/v
v=1.294 * 10^-3 m³ density of gold ρ= 19320 kg/m³

The Attempt at a Solution



v=1.294 * 10^-3 m³[/B]
I do not know how to calculate the volume at a depth of 5000m but I have pressure at a depth of 5000m.It is 50.3604 MPA. Now I need to find out Temperature using Pressure.
 
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You are not told the temperature? Then how are you supposed to determine it?
 
Actually I need the volume at a water depth of 5000m . I can use Boyle's law to calculate Volume and charl's law to calculate Temperatur
 
I do not how to proceed
 
robax25 said:
Actually I need the volume at a water depth of 5000m . I can use Boyle's law to calculate Volume and charl's law to calculate Temperatur
You are dealing with a solid, not a gas.

Do you know the equation for the volume change of a solid as a function of the temperature change and the pressure change?
 
Sorry, I don't know
 
robax25 said:
Sorry, I don't know
Do you have a textbook? Otherwise, Google "Bulk compressibility" and "Volumetric thermal expansion."
 
L=αLT however, I do not know the temperature
 
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robax25 said:
L=αLT however, I do not know the temperature
That's the coefficient of linear thermal expansion. The coefficient of volume expansion is 3 x as high.

I guess you need to look up the temperature of the ocean at a depth of 5000 m.
 
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I get it 3 degree Celsius
 
  • #12
Sorry, I learned this formula in structural Mechanics course but I forget it.
 
  • #13
here I know only volume and how to proceed?
 
  • #14
how can I calculate the volume at a water depth 5000m?
 
  • #15
sorry, I get it but How to calculate volume change by pressure?
 
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robax25 said:
sorry, I get it but How to calculate volume change by pressure?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_modulus
Note, however, that there it quite correctly defines it as response to a small change in pressure. This is because, in principle, the modulus depends on the pressure, so what works for a small change won't work for a large one. But I think you'll have to overlook that subtlety.
 

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