Calculate divergence of <y^2,z^2,x^2> in cylindrical coords

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The discussion revolves around calculating the divergence and curl of the vector field after converting it from Cartesian to cylindrical coordinates. Participants explore the necessary transformations and the application of divergence and curl formulas in this context.

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  • One participant questions whether the original vector should be treated as a vector function that needs conversion to cylindrical coordinates, suggesting a specific transformation approach.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of changing the variables inside the radial component to cylindrical coordinates.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the task and the need for further work after the initial transformations.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the transformations and the application of the divergence and curl formulas.

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Participants do not reach consensus on the correct approach to the problem, with multiple competing views on how to handle the transformation and the subsequent calculations.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the proper definitions and transformations needed for the vector components, as well as the application of divergence and curl in cylindrical coordinates.

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Hi everyone

My professor just asked us a question that I can't get my head around. So we have the original vector in Cartesian format, <y^2,z^2,x^2>
Then I am asked to convert to cylindrical coordinates:

z= z;
θ==arctan(z^2/y^2);
r = \sqrt(y^4+z^4)

However , I am then asked to take the divergence and curl of these items, I have the formula for both but I don't know how to fit them in!

∇⋅v=1r∂∂r(rvr)+1r∂vθ∂θ+∂vz∂z

∇×v=(1r∂vz∂θ−∂vθ∂z)r^+(∂vr∂z−∂vz∂r)θ^+(1r∂∂r(rvθ)−1r∂vr∂θ)z^

For example, for div in tems of r, 1r∂∂r(r(sqrt(z^4+y^4))) which doesn't seem to work
 
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Hi tub,

Can it be that your original vector is actually a vector function $$\ <x, y, z > \rightarrow <y^2, \ z^2,\ x^2 >$$ which you have to convert to a vector function in cylindrical coordinates $$\ <\rho, \phi, z > \rightarrow <f_1 (\rho, \phi,z) ,\ f_2 (\rho, \phi,z), \ f_3 (\rho, \phi,z) > \text ? $$
The conversion (in my experience) goes like $$ \rho = \sqrt{x^2+y^2} \\ \phi = \arctan {y\over x} \quad ^{(*)} \\ z = z$$
(*) with a caveat for ##\phi = \pi + \arctan {y\over x} \ \ \text {if} \ \ x< 0 \ ## to ensure ##\phi \in [-\pi/2, \ \pi/2]## or something similar
and the reverse goes like $$x =\rho \cos\phi \\ y =\rho \sin \phi \\ z = z$$.​

so that for f3 for instance, you get something like ##z\rightarrow \rho^2\cos^2\phi## ?

once you have these fi you can let the operators go to work
 
Ohhhhhh you have t change the variables inside r so that they are also in cyl coordinates than you so much! Is there an upvote button on this site?
 
Appreciate your enthousiasm, but a) I have violated a PF rule by showing that example and b) you still have a lot of work to do !

and c) I am not sure, it just seems a sensible perception of your exercise
 
BvU said:
Appreciate your enthousiasm, but a) I have violated a PF rule by showing that example
I don't have a problem with what you did.
BvU said:
and b) you still have a lot of work to do !and c) I am not sure, it just seems a sensible perception of your exercise
 
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Ah Ok well thank you for your time!
 

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