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The discussion centers on methods for calculating the mass of the Earth, exploring both historical and contemporary approaches. It includes theoretical considerations, practical challenges, and the implications of measurement accuracy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using Kepler's laws by finding the period and distance of a satellite to calculate Earth's mass.
  • Others propose measuring gravitational acceleration at the surface, noting that this method is limited by the accuracy of Newton's constant G.
  • One participant highlights that the accuracy of G affects the precision of Earth's mass estimation, which is known to about four significant figures.
  • Another participant points out that the non-spherical shape of the Earth and local variations in gravitational acceleration complicate calculations, suggesting that a simple Keplerian model may yield erroneous results.
  • It is mentioned that current estimates of the product of G and Earth's mass have improved due to satellite observations, but the uncertainty in G still limits the precision of Earth's mass.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange regarding the respect for traditional methods versus modern approaches in estimating G.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for calculating Earth's mass, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Some acknowledge the limitations of traditional methods while others defend their relevance.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the accuracy of G, the effects of Earth's rotation, its non-spherical shape, and local variations in density affecting gravitational measurements.

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Hello..
how can we calculate the mass of the earth?
 
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Find the period and distance of a satelite and use Kepler's law
 
hisham.i said:
Hello..
how can we calculate the mass of the earth?

By measuring the rate of gravitational acceleration at the surface. The limiting factor is the accuracy of Newton's constant G, which has been measured now to about 4 significant figures.

Cheers -- sylas
 
Sylas' method is rather old school. It is confounded not only by the relative low accuracy in our knowledge of G but also by the Earth's rotation, the Earth's non-spherical shape, and local variations in g due to local variations in density. Nonetheless, that is how scientists estimated the Earth's mass prior to the space age.

The Earth's non-spherical mass plus the fact that a satellite is also subject to gravity from the Moon, the Sun, Jupiter, Venus, etc. means that a simple Keplerian model (post #2) will also give erroneous results. The current best estimate of G*Me is obtained by observing satellites over a long period of time and removing all those confounding effects. The product of G and the Earth's mass is now known to almost nine places of accuracy thanks to satellite observations. However, because the universal gravitation constant G is only known to about four decimal places, the mass of the Earth is also known to only four decimal places.
 
D H said:
Sylas' method is rather old school.

Bah. Young people these days don't show no respect. :-p That aside... you are quite correct. My old fashioned post crossed with the ever up to date mgb_phys, who is the better guide in these modern times.

Do you know how they obtain estimates for G? I'm guessing it is by measuring accelerations of known masses in a laboratory, but I've not checked.

Cheers -- sylas, who is just a tad younger than the space age
 
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sylas said:
Bah. Young people these days don't show no respect. :-p
Bah right back atcha! Your parting remark ("Cheers -- sylas, who is just a tad younger than the space age") makes me my flatulence more chronologically challenged than yours.
 

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