Calculate F given m, d, and v should be easy.

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The problem involves calculating the average force exerted by a shot putter on a 7.0-kg shot moved through a distance of 2.8m and released with a speed of 13m/s. The subject area includes dynamics and the application of force, mass, and acceleration concepts.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of force using different methods, including average velocity and kinetic energy principles. Some question whether the original poster's calculation represents instantaneous force or average force over the distance.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including the work-energy theorem and the relationship between force, distance, and kinetic energy. Participants are examining the discrepancies between the original poster's calculations and the answer key.

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Homework Statement


What is the average force exerted by a shot putter on a 7.0-kg shot if the shot is moved through a distance of 2.8m and is released with a speed of 13m/s?



Homework Equations


F = m * a
a = Δv/t
v = Δd/t


The Attempt at a Solution



This is a problem that should be easy, I think. I get one answer, but the answer in the back of the book for this particular problem is way different.

t = d/v = 2.8m/13m/s = 0.22 seconds

a = v/t = 13m/s / 0.22s = 59.09 m/s/s

F = ma = 7kg * 59.09 m/s/s = 413.6 N...right?

My calculation of 413.6N doesn't agree with the book's 210N in the answer key...
 
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You have to use average velocity not final velocity.
Or just constant acceleration(average force) with final velocity, 13m/s
 
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Are you familiar with work and kinetic energy? If so, setting the kinetic energy mv^2/2 equal to the work done by the force Fd would be an appropriate method.
 
That makes sense... so my answer given above would be the instantaneous force right at the release rather than the average throughout the whole thing?
 
I guess it's not.
What we are given the distance travel from 0 to final velocity.
If we apply constant force(acceleration), we will find the time taken to cover that distance.
The actual force applied is not linear.

Average velocity x time=distance
 
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final kin energy is E=0.5m*v^2, where m=7kg, v=13m/s;
work done on the shot is E=F*s, where s=2.8m, F is force by putter;
energy conserves; E=E; 0.5m*v^2= F*s, hence
F=0.5m*v^2 / s =
 
TrpnBils said:

Homework Statement


What is the average force exerted by a shot putter on a 7.0-kg shot if the shot is moved through a distance of 2.8m and is released with a speed of 13m/s?

Homework Equations


F = m * a
a = Δv/t
v = Δd/t

The Attempt at a Solution



This is a problem that should be easy, I think. I get one answer, but the answer in the back of the book for this particular problem is way different.

t = d/v = 2.8m/13m/s = 0.22 seconds

a = v/t = 13m/s / 0.22s = 59.09 m/s/s

F = ma = 7kg * 59.09 m/s/s = 413.6 N...right?

My calculation of 413.6N doesn't agree with the book's 210N in the answer key...

Mathematically, the average force is given by:

\bar{F} = \frac{1}{s}\int_0^s Fdx

The definite integral is work done on the object, which is equal to the final kinetic energy, which is why you end up with:

\bar{F} = (\frac{1}{s})(\frac{1}{2}mv^2).
 
Simplest way to solve this problem,

Use work energy theorem,

fcosθd=(0.5)mv^2 (cosθ= 1 assuming all force is in the same direction as the displacement)

Rearrange algebraicly and you'll get the answer.

Hope this helps!
 
gbaby370 said:
Simplest way to solve this problem,

Use work energy theorem,

fcosθd=(0.5)mv^2 (cosθ= 1 assuming all force is in the same direction as the displacement)

Rearrange algebraicly and you'll get the answer.

Hope this helps!

I thought the same!
 
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