Calculate fluid flow in pipeline

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating fluid flow in a pipeline, specifically focusing on the velocity through the main pipe and jet, as well as considerations for friction factors and pump efficiency. Participants engage with the problem in a homework context, exploring various equations and assumptions related to fluid dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the velocity using the continuity equation and Bernoulli's principle but arrives at a different value than expected, suggesting potential issues with their approach.
  • Another participant points out that the 700 kPa pressure is likely gauge pressure and emphasizes the importance of considering the pump's effect on the system.
  • Concerns are raised about the omission of the friction factor and kinematic viscosity in the calculations, questioning the accuracy of using Bernoulli's equation for this scenario.
  • Participants discuss the need to calculate the Reynolds number to determine the friction factor, which is crucial for accurate flow predictions.
  • One participant acknowledges a correction in their calculations after considering the gauge pressure and adjusting their values accordingly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the Bernoulli equation for this problem, with some suggesting it may not provide an accurate prediction due to omitted factors. There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and multiple competing views remain regarding the calculations and assumptions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note missing elements such as the friction factor and the need for the Reynolds number, indicating that the discussion is limited by these unresolved aspects. The problem's complexity is compounded by the specific dimensions and conditions of the pipeline.

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Homework Statement



The pump in the system below has an efficiency of 75%. The atmospheric pressure is 101 kPa and the vapor pressure is 2.3 kPa (in absolute units). Assume kinematic viscosity is 0.96x10-6 m2/s. Neglect minor losses.

a) Calculate the velocity through the main pipe and of the jet

and a few other questions to do with friction factor, etc.

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Homework Equations



AV=AV

v^2/2g + P/pg = v^2/2g + P/pg

Have been given the answers but no working. – 9.66 m/s for pipe and 38.64 m/s for jet

The Attempt at a Solution



First used AV=AV to get

v_2 = [(d_1)^2/(d_2)^2] v_1

Then I put this into Bernoulli with the relevant pressures P_1 = 700000, P_2 = 101000 but I only manage to get v_1 = 8.94 m/s.

I have tried working it with elevation head but still can't seem to get the right answer. I am thinking maybe I should have pump head? But not too sure how to calculate with what I have been given.
 
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My immediate thought is that 700kPa is a gauge pressure.
The 20m head provides pressure at the other end of the pipe - which should tell you what the pump is doing.

It may help if you think of the pump as replacing a drop in height.
 
You mentioned in your original post the "friction factor", and one of the pieces of data given was the kinematic viscosity. Where were these in your calculations? That pipe is only 2" in diameter, and is 400 meters long. Do you really think that the Bernoulli equation is going to give you an accurate prediction for this problem? What have you left out?

Chet
 
Simon Bridge said:
My immediate thought is that 700kPa is a gauge pressure.
The 20m head provides pressure at the other end of the pipe - which should tell you what the pump is doing.

It may help if you think of the pump as replacing a drop in height.

Thanks that helped get it sorted, changed my P_2 value and found the right answer
 
Chestermiller said:
You mentioned in your original post the "friction factor", and one of the pieces of data given was the kinematic viscosity. Where were these in your calculations? That pipe is only 2" in diameter, and is 400 meters long. Do you really think that the Bernoulli equation is going to give you an accurate prediction for this problem? What have you left out?

Chet

They are parts b,c,d when they want the friction factor, pump power and distance from reservoir to avoid cavitation. I can't seem to solve the NPSM but will keep trying.
 
Yes. I looked over the problem again, and Simon was right regarding the gage pressure (as your answer confirms). You next need to calculate the Reynolds number for the flow in the pipe. This will then allow you to determine the friction factor.

chet
 

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