Calculate humidity from dry/Wet bulb temp

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The discussion revolves around calculating specific humidity, relative humidity, and specific enthalpy based on given dry-bulb and wet-bulb temperatures, along with atmospheric pressure. Participants explore the use of psychrometric charts and equations related to these calculations, addressing discrepancies in results and interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents calculations for specific humidity, relative humidity, and specific enthalpy using provided temperatures and pressure, expressing confusion about the results when compared to a psychrometric chart.
  • Another participant suggests that the wet bulb temperature being close to freezing complicates accurate readings on the psychrometric chart, providing their own estimates for relative humidity and enthalpy, but acknowledges the use of non-SI units.
  • A later reply challenges the assertion that the wet bulb temperature is close to freezing, suggesting a mix-up in temperature units and providing alternative calculations for relative humidity and enthalpy.
  • One participant requests clarification on the source of Table A-4 referenced in the calculations, indicating a need for more context on the data used.
  • Another participant provides a link to a psychrometric chart in SI units, noting that the original temperatures may be off the chart.
  • Further calculations are shared, yielding different values for relative humidity and enthalpy, highlighting the variability in results based on interpretations and methods used.

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Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the initial calculations and the interpretation of the psychrometric chart. There is no consensus on the correct values for humidity and enthalpy, with multiple competing estimates presented.

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Participants reference various tables and charts, indicating potential limitations in the data used for calculations. There is also uncertainty regarding the appropriateness of the equations applied and the accuracy of the psychrometric chart readings.

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Homework Statement


Dry-bulb Temperature 46'C
Wet-bulb Temperature 34'C
P=101.3kPa

with these, I have to 'calculate' Specific Humidity(w), Relative humidity(φ), Specific Enthalpy(h)

Homework Equations



Specific Humidity
w=0.622*Pv/Pa
when Pa=P-Pv

Relative Humidity
φ=w*P/[(0.622+w)*Pg]

Specific Enthalpy
h=ha+w*hg

for this problem, I used approximated values based on temperature for ha.
so
ha=1.005[kJ/KgC]*T[C]
ha[kJ/KG]

The Attempt at a Solution


P is 101.3
T is 46'C

from Table A-4, Pv is 10.14kPa at 46'C

w=(0.622*10.14)/(101.3-10.14)=0.069
6.9%

φ=0.069*101.3/[(0.622+0.069)*10.14)=0.9976
99.76%
this is when I start to feel a bit weirdh=1.005*46+0.069*2584.18
=224.54kJ/kgThen I checked my Psychrometric Chart, and found out this makes no sense. Where did I go wrong? or am I reading the the chart wrong?
 
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Since your wet bulb temp is close to freezing the curves on the psychrometric chart are at one end so it's a bit hard to get accurate readings, but I got
rel humidity ~ 33%
enthalpy ~ 12.5 BTU per lb. dry air. Sorry these units are not SI.
humidity mass ratio ~ .004 moisture/dry air.
Don't know about your equations but I can tell from their simplicity that they are rough approximations to the chart numbers.
 
rude man said:
Since your wet bulb temp is close to freezing the curves on the psychrometric chart are at one end so it's a bit hard to get accurate readings, but I got
rel humidity ~ 33%
enthalpy ~ 12.5 BTU per lb. dry air. Sorry these units are not SI.
humidity mass ratio ~ .004 moisture/dry air.
Don't know about your equations but I can tell from their simplicity that they are rough approximations to the chart numbers.
Wet bulb temperature is 34° C. That's not close to freezing. In fact, it's rather balmy. I think you got your temperature units mixed up.
 
dhkdeoen said:

Homework Statement


Dry-bulb Temperature 46'C
Wet-bulb Temperature 34'C
P=101.3kPa

with these, I have to 'calculate' Specific Humidity(w), Relative humidity(φ), Specific Enthalpy(h)

Homework Equations



Specific Humidity
w=0.622*Pv/Pa
when Pa=P-Pv

Relative Humidity
φ=w*P/[(0.622+w)*Pg]

Specific Enthalpy
h=ha+w*hg

for this problem, I used approximated values based on temperature for ha.
so
ha=1.005[kJ/KgC]*T[C]
ha[kJ/KG]

The Attempt at a Solution


P is 101.3
T is 46'C

from Table A-4, Pv is 10.14kPa at 46'C

w=(0.622*10.14)/(101.3-10.14)=0.069
6.9%

φ=0.069*101.3/[(0.622+0.069)*10.14)=0.9976
99.76%
this is when I start to feel a bit weirdh=1.005*46+0.069*2584.18
=224.54kJ/kgThen I checked my Psychrometric Chart, and found out this makes no sense. Where did I go wrong? or am I reading the the chart wrong?

It's not clear what Table A-4 is. Can you link to it?

Here is a psychrometric chart in SI Units:

http://www.uigi.com/UIGI_SI.PDF

Your dry bulb/wet bulb temps are almost off this chart.

I would say the enthalpy is about 122 kJ/kg of dry air and the relative humidity is about 45%
 
SteamKing said:
Wet bulb temperature is 34° C. That's not close to freezing. In fact, it's rather balmy. I think you got your temperature units mixed up.
Well you're absolutely right. I'll take another shot at it soon.
 
With the correct temperatures I got about 38% rel. humidity, 0.025 kg moisture /kg dry air, and H ~ 56 BTU//lb dry air = 129 kJ/kg. On my chart I had to estimate enthalpy a bit.
 

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