Calculate KINETIC ENERGY of proton traveling close to speed of light

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The problem involves calculating the relativistic kinetic energy of a proton traveling at a speed close to the speed of light. The original poster provides specific values for the speed of the proton, the speed of light, and the mass of the proton, and expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss various equations for calculating kinetic energy, including both classical and relativistic formulas. Some express confusion about which formula is appropriate for high-speed scenarios, while others suggest using the relativistic kinetic energy equation.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculating kinetic energy in relativistic contexts. Some participants have provided alternative formulas and expressed concerns about the use of relativistic mass, while others seek clarification on the appropriate method to apply.

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Participants note the importance of using relativistic equations due to the high velocity of the proton, and there is mention of homework constraints regarding significant figures and proper unit notation.

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Homework Statement



A proton is traveling with a speed of v = 2.990x108 m/s. Calculate the (relativistically correct) value of the kinetic energy for this proton. Assume that the speed of light is c = 3.000 x 108 m/s and that the mass of the proton is 1.673 x 10-27 kg.

Note: Do your calculations to 4 significant figures. Then round off to give an answer good to 3 significant figures. Be sure to include the correct abbreviation for the SI unit.


Homework Equations



K = 1/2 mv2

Limit is K = 1/2mC2

The Attempt at a Solution



K=1/2(1.673x10-27)(2.990x108)
K=2.50x10-19J

Is this correct? I feel like I'm missing something here...
 
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O should I be using the equation:

K =( g - 1 )MC2
or
K= (1/2)gMV2
?

What is the correct formula for calculating kinetic energy when a particle's speed approaches the speed of light??
 
you should use the relativistic equations to calculate the kinetic energy .. I suggest you to use :

Ek = gama*m*c^2 - mc^2 , where gama= 1/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2 ) ..
 
when a particle moves with very high velocity ( close to the speed of light )
then the moving mass of the particle is given as :

M = m/sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2))

here,
m is ths rest mass of the particle = 1.673X10^(-27)kg
v is the velocity of the particle = 2.990X10^(8)m/s
c is the speed of light = 3.00X10^(8)m/s

using above formula the mass of the proton moving with the speed close to that of light can be calculated :

M = 6.480X10^(-26)kg

then we can obtain the kinectic energy of the proton as:

KE = (1/2)M(v^2)

KE = 2.914X10^(-19) joule

please correct if m wrong!
 
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imnitsy said:
when a particle moves with very high velocity ( close to the speed of light )
then the moving mass of the particle is given as :

M = m/sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2))

here,
m is ths rest mass of the particle = 1.673X10^(-27)kg
v is the velocity of the particle = 2.990X10^(8)m/s
c is the speed of light = 3.00X10^(8)m/s

using above formula the mass of the proton moving with the speed close to that of light can be calculated :

M = 6.480X10^(-26)kg

then we can obtain the kinectic energy of the proton as:

KE = (1/2)M(v^2)

KE = 2.914X10^(-9) joule

please correct if m wrong!

I don't recall doing this when I used to take that course .. I just substitute in the formula I wrote
 
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imnitsy said:
when a particle moves with very high velocity ( close to the speed of light )
then the moving mass of the particle is given as :

M = m/sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2))

here,
m is ths rest mass of the particle = 1.673X10^(-27)kg
v is the velocity of the particle = 2.990X10^(8)m/s
c is the speed of light = 3.00X10^(8)m/s

using above formula the mass of the proton moving with the speed close to that of light can be calculated :

M = 6.480X10^(-26)kg

then we can obtain the kinectic energy of the proton as:

KE = (1/2)M(v^2)

KE = 2.914X10^(-19) joule

please correct if m wrong!
That's wrong. You should abandon the notion of relativistic mass because it leads to errors like this.

In special relativity, the energy of an object of rest mass m is given by

E=\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-(v/c)^2}}

When v=0, you get E=mc2. This is the rest energy of the object. The object's kinetic energy is the energy in excess of the rest energy, so it's given by

K=E-mc^2

If you express the total energy E as a series in (v/c)2, you get

E=mc^2\left[1+\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{v}{c}\right)^2+...\right]\cong mc^2+\frac{1}{2}mv^2+...

When the speed of the object is much smaller than the speed of light, you can neglect the higher-order terms and recover the Newtonian expression for kinetic energy

K=\frac{1}{2}mv^2

To get this result, we assumed v<<c, so this formula is only good when the speeds are not a significant fraction of the speed of light. In particular, you can not use it in this problem.
 
vela said:
That's wrong. You should abandon the notion of relativistic mass because it leads to errors like this.

In special relativity, the energy of an object of rest mass m is given by

E=\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-(v/c)^2}}

When v=0, you get E=mc2. This is the rest energy of the object. The object's kinetic energy is the energy in excess of the rest energy, so it's given by

K=E-mc^2

If you express the total energy E as a series in (v/c)2, you get

E=mc^2\left[1+\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{v}{c}\right)^2+...\right]\cong mc^2+\frac{1}{2}mv^2+...

When the speed of the object is much smaller than the speed of light, you can neglect the higher-order terms and recover the Newtonian expression for kinetic energy

K=\frac{1}{2}mv^2

To get this result, we assumed v<<c, so this formula is only good when the speeds are not a significant fraction of the speed of light. In particular, you can not use it in this problem.

then what should be the kinetic energy for such problem!
 
I clearly said what it was in my previous post.
 
vela said:
I clearly said what it was in my previous post.

ohh you ..thanx
 

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