Calculate Position of q2 When Speed is 8m/s Given Two Charges Energy

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The problem involves two charges, q1 and q2, arranged on the x-axis, with q1 fixed and q2 released from rest. The objective is to calculate the position of q2 when it reaches a speed of 8 m/s, given the masses and charges of both particles. The context includes concepts from electrostatics and energy conservation.

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  • Participants discuss the conversion of mass to kilograms and the application of kinetic and potential energy formulas. There are questions about the correct approach to equate initial and final energies, with some participants suggesting that the potential energies should not be simply added. Others explore the implications of voltage and energy in the context of the charges involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the validity of their approaches and the assumptions made regarding energy calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of voltage and energy, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method to solve the problem.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings about the relationship between voltage, energy, and the specific charges involved. There is a focus on ensuring that the energy of the charges is accurately represented in the equations being used.

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1. Two charges are arranged on the x axis. q1 = +8.00 μC, and
q2 = +5.00 μC. a = 25.0 cm. q1 is held fixed and q2 is released from rest.
Both q1 and q2 have a mass of 20.0 g.
Calculate x2, the position of q2, when it reaches a speed of 8.00 m/s.
a is the distance between q1 and q2. q1 is at the origin and q2 is along the x-axis at a distance "a"


2. Ek= 1/2mv^2
V = kq/r



3.
first i converted m to kg = 20 x 10^-3

Ek = 1/2mv^2
V = kq1/r + kq2/r

1/2mv^2 = kq1/r + kq2/r
1/2(20x10^-3)(8)^2 = k(8x10^-6)/x + k(5x10^-6)/(x-0.25)

solving for x gives me wrong answer
 
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salman213 said:
Ek = 1/2mv^2
V = kq1/r + kq2/r

Why are you adding the potential energies? You are supposed to be equating the energy of the initial state (which is purely potential) to the energy of the final state (which is a combination of kinetic + potential).
 
so initially

Ei = kq1/r2

and final

Ef = 1/2mv^2 + kq1/r

?
 
salman213 said:
so initially

Ei = kq1/r2

and final

Ef = 1/2mv^2 + kq1/r

?

That sounds almost right. But also remember, voltage is not the energy of the charge. It is the energy a 1C of charge would have, but you do not have 1C charges now.
 
but doesn't the forumula incorporate the charge

kq/r
with that "q"
 
salman213 said:
but doesn't the forumula incorporate the charge

kq/r
with that "q"

Nope, the q1 is the voltage DUE TO the charge q1, not the energy OF q2. :)
 
so does the answer of it involve the formula

W = q(vf-vi)

:S:S:S
 
salman213 said:
so does the answer of it involve the formula

W = q(vf-vi)

:S:S:S

Yes, the energy of the charge is given by qV, where V is the voltage at a point.
 
ok but how would i incorporate the energy due to charge 1 that is held fixed..

so far Ek = 1/2m1v1^2
V = qV2

is that all i need or in Ek I need to add the potential of the fixed charge
 
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kq1q2/.25 = 1/2mv^2 + kq1q2/(x-0.25)
 

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