Calculate the *Acceleration* after a (mostly) elastic collision?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of a stationary steel ball after being struck by a moving steel ball in a (mostly) elastic collision. Participants explore the relationship between acceleration, elasticity, and the time taken to reach a final velocity, as well as the complexities involved in such calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about how to calculate the acceleration of a stationary steel ball after being hit, questioning the dependence on material elasticity and the time taken for energy transfer.
  • Another participant notes that the calculation of acceleration depends on the elasticity and stiffness of the materials involved, indicating that it is generally complex.
  • A different participant suggests that the acceleration may not be constant and could follow a simple harmonic profile during the collision.
  • One participant proposes that an elastic collision can be approximated as a spring model while the two bodies are in contact, mentioning that contact time can significantly affect the outcome and that vibrations during the collision consume energy that could otherwise change the velocity.
  • High-speed video is mentioned as a method to measure contact time accurately, which is crucial for understanding the dynamics of the collision.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the factors influencing acceleration, with no consensus reached on a definitive method for calculation or the nature of the acceleration during the collision.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations such as the dependence on material properties, the complexity of modeling the collision accurately, and the challenges in measuring contact time.

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How can I calculate the ACCELERATION of a stationary steel ball after being hit by a moving steel ball.

I know how to get the final velocity but how long does it take to accelerate to that velocity from zero?
Does it depend on the elasticity of the materials?
I guess we need to know long did the transfer of energy take??For example a 3kg stationary ball is hit by a 1kg ball moving at 15m/s, transferring all of its energy into the the stationary ball.
The 3kg ball will end up moving at 5m/s.
But how fast did it accelerate?
 
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That depends, as you surmised, on the elasticity and stiffness of the materials. It's generally non-trivial to figure out.
 
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Moreover, the acceleration will not be constant. The acceleration may have approximately a simple harmonic profile.
 
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As a first order approximation, an elastic collision can be modeled as a spring during the time that the two bodies are in contact. A steel ball peen hammer hitting a heavy steel plate will be in contact for about 1 millisecond, so the spring constant can be estimated from that.

When the contact time is short, it sets up vibrations in the parts. That's the CLANG that you hear in a steel on steel collision. Those vibrations take energy that would otherwise go into changing the velocity of the parts. Finding the contact time can be a challenge. High speed video at 10,000 or 20,000 frames per second is one way.
 
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