Calculate the area of the triangle- Vector Calculus

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The discussion revolves around calculating the area of a triangle using vector calculus, specifically through the use of vectors and the cross product. Participants explore the implications of vector choices and their effects on the area calculation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the choice of vectors for the calculation and whether different selections yield the same area. There are attempts to verify calculations and clarify the use of the cross product in determining the area.

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Some participants have provided guidance on re-evaluating calculations and checking assumptions about vector definitions. There is acknowledgment of potential overspecification in the problem setup, with multiple interpretations being explored.

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There are mentions of discrepancies between personal calculations and published answers, prompting discussions on verification and error-checking in problem-solving.

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##\dfrac {1}{2}####\left\| {v×w}\right\|##
This is the question,
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Now to my question, supposing the vectors were not given, can we let ##V=\vec {RQ}## and ##W=\vec {RP}##? i tried using this and i was not getting the required area. Thanks...
 
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That should give the same answer. Try computing it again.
 
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You should get the same result.
 
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Look up cross product, I think?
 
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ok, let me do that again...talk later in the day...I will amend my latex too...laters...
 
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valenumr said:
Look up cross product, I think?
I feel silly... The latex rendered slowly.
 
I already made myself feel silly,but the problem is over specified. You are correct to assume any choice of vector. With only two given, the other is defined, and any choice should give the same answer.
 
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Yeah yeah...Great guys same values ##155, 190, -29##...i will post working later. Bingo!
 
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chwala said:
Yeah yeah...Great guys same values ##155, 190, -29##...i will post working later. Bingo!
A=##\dfrac{1}{2}\|(8,-5,10)×(7,-8,-15)\|=\dfrac{1}{2}(155,190,-29)=\dfrac{1}{2}\sqrt{{155^2+190^2+(-29)^2}}≈123.46##
 
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chwala said:
A=##\dfrac{1}{2}\|(8,-5,10)×(7,-8,-15)\|=\dfrac{1}{2}(155,190,-29)=\dfrac{1}{2}\sqrt{{155^2+190^2+(-29)^2}}≈123.46##
Nit: The second expression reads as being 1/2 of the vector <155, 190, -29>. What you should have is 1/2 the norm or magnitude of that vector.
 
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Mark44 said:
Nit: The second expression reads as being 1/2 of the vector <155, 190, -29>. What you should have is 1/2 the norm or magnitude of that vector.
@Mark44 ...you have keen eyes mate! :biggrin:...I will amend that later in the day...cheers
 
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chwala said:
i tried using this and i was not getting the required area.

Charles Link said:
That should give the same answer. Try computing it again.
If I'm working a problem and my result doesn't agree with the published answer, the first thing I do is to make sure I'm working the same problem. If that checks out, I then check my work for errors. Although it's possible that the published answer is wrong, this doesn't happen all that often.
 
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chwala said:
A=##\dfrac{1}{2}\|(8,-5,10)×(7,-8,-15)\|=\dfrac{1}{2}\|(155,190,-29)\|=\dfrac{1}{2}\sqrt{{155^2+190^2+(-29)^2}}≈123.46##

Amended post ##9##.
 
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