Calculate the ideal (Carnot) efficiency of a heat engine

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The discussion revolves around calculating the ideal (Carnot) efficiency of a heat engine operating between two temperature reservoirs, specifically at 23.0 degrees Celsius and 515 degrees Celsius. Participants are tasked with determining the efficiency and the amount of heat rejected when a specific amount of heat is extracted from the high-temperature reservoir.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formula for Carnot efficiency, questioning the need to convert temperatures to Kelvin. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between heat input, work output, and heat rejected. Some participants express uncertainty about how to approach the second part of the problem regarding heat rejection.

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Several participants have provided calculations for efficiency and heat rejection, while others are questioning the correctness of these calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions involved in the efficiency equation, and some participants are seeking confirmation of their reasoning without reaching a definitive consensus.

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There is a mention of the need to use Kelvin for temperature calculations, and some participants are grappling with the implications of splitting energy input between outputs. The original poster expresses confusion about how to start the second part of the problem.

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Calculate the ideal (Carnot) efficiency of a heat engine operating between 23.0 degrees and 515 degrees. How much heat would be rejected by the engine if 1.00 x 10^6 calories were taken from the high temperature resivoir.

Would you just use e=1-(T(c)/T(H))?
And for the second part i don't have any clue how to get started.
 
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You have to use Kelvin ... .

efficiency is not "1" if your Energy input is split between 2 (or more) outputs. You have a million cal input, and only "e %" of them will be used for what you had intended. Once you get Tc/Th , you know what fraction are wasted.
 
lilkrazyrae said:
Calculate the ideal (Carnot) efficiency of a heat engine operating between 23.0 degrees and 515 degrees. How much heat would be rejected by the engine if 1.00 x 10^6 calories were taken from the high temperature resivoir.
Would you just use e=1-(T(c)/T(H))?
And for the second part i don't have any clue how to get started.
The efficiency is defined as the ratio of work output to heat input:

Efficiency= W/Q_H = (Q_H-Q_C)/Q_H = 1 - Q_C/Q_H

It can be shown that for a Carnot engine (no entropy change), Q_C/Q_H is equal to T_C/T_H.

That should enable you to answer the question.

AM
 
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So for efficiency e =1-T(c)/T(h)=1-(298.18/788.15)=62.171%
And for the heat rejected .62171=x/1.00*10^6=6.22*10^5 cal.

Is this right
 
Or would you have to include the 1 in the efficiency equation again?
 
No Body knows?!?
 
lilkrazyrae said:
So for efficiency e =1-T(c)/T(h)=1-(298.18/788.15)=62.171%
And for the heat rejected .62171=x/1.00*10^6=6.22*10^5 cal.
Is this right
You are trying to find the heat rejected. You have found the work done: W = 6.22 x 10^5 cal. The heat rejected (heat flow out to cold reservoir) plus the work done has to be equal to the heat flow into the engine.

Q_C = Q_H - W = 1 \times 10^6 - 6.22 \times 10^5 = 3.78 \times 10^5 cal.

AM
 

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