Calculate the maximum electrical force on a ball

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The problem involves calculating the maximum electrical force on a metal ball positioned near a conducting surface, considering the critical electric field of air. The context includes concepts from electrostatics and field theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the mirror theorem and derive the maximum force using charge and electric field relationships. Some participants question the assumptions regarding the fields acting on the ball and the conditions under which ionization occurs. Others explore the implications of the equations presented and how they relate to the provided solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their reasoning and equations. There is recognition of the need to consider both the real and fictitious charges in the field calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches and the relationship to the book's solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of not exceeding the critical electric field and the implications of the distance between the ball and the conducting surface. There is mention of the potential risk of ionization in the context of the electric fields involved.

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Homework Statement


A metal ball of radius ##a## is at a distance ##h>>a## from a very long conducting non-charged horizontal metal surface. Calculate the maximum electrical force on a ball under the condition that ##E_{cr}## the critical electric field of air is not breached.

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I applied the mirror theorem and placed a ball of charge ##-Q## on the other end, ##2h## distance away from the first.
##F_2=Q_1E_2## this is the force on ball 1 from ball 2. When ##E=E_{crit}##, we have a maximum charge of ball 1 and ball 2 because they are the same. so we would have ##F_{max}=Q_{max}E_{crit}## and since they are the same ##Q_{max}=E_{crit}16\pi\epsilon_0h^2## and when i use that instead of ##Q_{max}## i get that ##F_{max}=(E_{crit})^2h^216\pi\epsilon_0##
And somehow my book gives this answer:
$$F_{max}=\pi\epsilon_0a^4(E_{crit})^2/h^2$$ How did they include ##a## and why is it divided by ##h^2## I don't understand their solution, can you make something out of it?
 
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The force on the real ball is indeed determined by the field at its location from the other ball. Is that the field that is in danger of producing ionisation there?
 
haruspex said:
The force on the real ball is indeed determined by the field at its location from the other ball. Is that the field that is in danger of producing ionisation there?
I think so, it says to fins the maximum force on the real object so that the critical electrical field is not surpassed. From there i drew the above equations but don't know what this answer is and its given as correct
 
doktorwho said:
I think so, it says to fins the maximum force on the real object so that the critical electrical field is not surpassed. From there i drew the above equations but don't know what this answer is and its given as correct
There are two fields acting in the space near the real ball. Ionisation risk is from the total field.
 
haruspex said:
There are two fields acting in the space near the real ball. Ionisation risk is from the total field.
I tried like this:
##E_{crt}=\frac{Q_{max}}{4\pi\epsilon_0a^2}##
##Q_{max}=E_{crt}4\pi\epsilon_0a^2##
##F=\frac{Q^2}{4\pi\epsilon_04h^2}##
##F=\pi\epsilon_oa^4E_{crt}^2/h^2##
By exchanging the Q's with their maximum values. It seems correct, at least coherent with the solution.
 
doktorwho said:
I tried like this:
##E_{crt}=\frac{Q_{max}}{4\pi\epsilon_0a^2}##
##Q_{max}=E_{crt}4\pi\epsilon_0a^2##
##F=\frac{Q^2}{4\pi\epsilon_04h^2}##
##F=\pi\epsilon_oa^4E_{crt}^2/h^2##
By exchanging the Q's with their maximum values. It seems correct, at least coherent with the solution.
Right.

Technically, as I mentioned, you should sum the fields from the real and fictitious balls, but the latter will be very small by comparison.
 

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