Calculate the time it takes the frequency to decrease

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a thin copper ring rotating in a uniform magnetic field, with the goal of calculating the time it takes for the frequency of rotation to decrease to 1/e of its original value, assuming energy loss due to Joule heating. The context includes parameters such as the magnetic field strength, resistivity of copper, and density, but lacks information on the radius of the ring.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the importance of the radius of the loop, with one suggesting that it might cancel out in the calculations. There is consideration of applying Joule heating law and exploring the relationship between the magnetic moment and induced current.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights and clarifying aspects of the setup. One participant is attempting to clarify the rotation direction of the ring and its implications for magnetic flux, while another has acknowledged the potential for arbitrary variables to simplify the problem. No consensus has been reached, but there is a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of information regarding the radius of the ring, which some participants believe is critical for solving the problem. Additionally, the clarity of the ring's rotation in relation to the magnetic field is under discussion.

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Homework Statement


A thin copper ring rotates about an axis perpendicular to a uniform magnetic field [tex]H_{0}[/tex]=200G. Its initial frequency of rotation is [tex]\omega_{0}[/tex]. Calculate the time it takes the frequency to decrease to [tex]1/e[/tex] of its original value under the assumption that the energy goes into Joule Heat. Copper has resistivity of [tex]1.7 x 10^-8[/tex] ohm-meters, and a density of 8.9 g/cm.

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The Attempt at a Solution


The issue I'm running to at the time is that there is no mention of the radius of the loop. I think that would be important. Then I thought since we were given the resistivity, I could apply the Joule heating law and set it equal to the change in omega.

I just fail to see how this problem can be completed without the cross sectional area because from there I can go ahead and find the magnetic moment and approach everything from that direction but I feel I need the radius as a start... Sorry if this is a shoddy attempt, my brain is fried, haha.
 
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You may find that the radius cancels out... Go ahead and solve the problem with arbitrary variables and then see if anything nice comes of it.
 
Thanks that's definitely a good start, whether its a wild goose chase or not, I've been busy for the last hour. I'll let you know if I reach a dead end, or the answer. Anything else you can add to the problem would help greatly. o:)

Thanks for the nudge.
 
Oh, it was also brought to my attention that the way that the ring rotates isn't exactly clear. I'll try to explain this the best I can:

Set the H to be going in the positive Z direction. It rotates about the Y axis into the X axis. Say Z is up, Y is left and right, and X comes out of the screen. The top of the ring rotates INTO the monitor while the bottom rotates out of the screen.

It makes it reasonable say that the flux is is changing with omega perhaps,

Phi=HAsin(w) ?

thats kinda what I have been toying with now, Trying to find the current induced within the ring based off of the Electromagnetic Force. If I find the current in the ring, I can find the magnetic moment and the accompanying torque. Hopefully this is at least getting me closer.
 
You probably meant [itex]\sin(\omega t)[/itex]
 
maverick280857 said:
You probably meant [itex]\sin(\omega t)[/itex]

ha, very true. wouldn't be the same without good ol' t in there.
 

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