Calculate the volume charge density of the atmosphere

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The problem involves calculating the volume charge density of the atmosphere between two altitudes, based on measurements of the electric field at those altitudes. The subject area pertains to electromagnetism and Gauss's Law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Gauss's Law but is uncertain about the appropriate Gaussian surface and the values to use for area and radius.
  • Some participants suggest considering the symmetry of the problem and the nature of the charge distribution in the atmosphere.
  • Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the electric field equations and the relationship between charge density and electric field.
  • There is discussion about whether to use the radius of the Earth or the altitude in calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different approaches to identify the correct Gaussian surface and how to apply Gauss's Law to find the volume charge density. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the charge distribution and the appropriate equations to use, but there is no explicit consensus on the method or values to apply.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the charge density is uniform between the specified altitudes, and there is a focus on understanding the implications of using different radii in calculations. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the setup and the application of Gauss's Law in this context.

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Homework Statement



In the atmosphere and at an altitude of 250 m, you measure the electric field to be 150 N/C directed downward, and you measure the electric field to be 170N/C directed downward at an altitude of 400 m. Calculate the volume charge density of the atmosphere in the region between altitudes of 250 m and 400m, assuming it to be uniform.

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I just want to know. When I substitute the values in E = (sigma/epsilon 0) and then sigma = Q/Area.. So I get Q = 150 (epsilon 0) A. Now this I will substitute in the formula rho = Q / V.

Now my question is what will be Area? What value of r should I write in 4 pi r^2 ?
Will it be radius of Earth or the altitude of 250 m? If it's radius of earth, where will I write 250m then?
 
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This is a Gauss's Law application. If you can picture the Gaussian surface that you should use, you will know what to do with r and what its value(s) ought to be. So what kind of Gaussian surface should you use to "calculate the volume charge density of the atmosphere in the region between altitudes of 250 m and 400m, assuming it to be uniform"?
 
Hmm may be cylinder? But how in the world do I get the idea of gaussian surface?!
 
sonutulsiani said:
Hmm may be cylinder? But how in the world do I get the idea of gaussian surface?!

Choose a Gaussian surface that reflects the symmetry of the problem. The Earth is more closely approximated to a sphere than a cylinder. Also, the expression E = σ/ε0 applies only in cases where there is a surface charge. There is no surface charge in the atmosphere at heights of 250 m or 400 m or any height. There is only volume charge density in the atmosphere.
 
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So what it should be E = rho / epsilon 0?
And I got what you are saying. I got the charge in the sphere, Q inside as = 4 E pi epsilon 0 r^(2)

Is that right? If that is right, then r=radius of the Earth only
 
Ok I tried it once again.

This time I took rho = Q / V

And then substituted Q inside = 4 E pi epsilon 0 r^(2)
with rho V = 4 E pi epsilon 0 r^(2)

=> rho 4/3 pi r^3 = 4 E pi epsilon 0 r^(2)

Is it correct?? In that way I can find rho, but then I am still confused about the 'r' s
 
Wait the r will be radius of Earth plus 250m ?
 
You know that the E field at RE+400 m is 170 N/C and that the E field at RE+250 m is 150 N/C. Both fields are radially in.

Can you calculate the electric flux through the area of a sphere of radius RE+400 m and then through a sphere of radius RE+250 m?

The sum of the two would be the total flux through a shell of inner radius RE+250 m and outer radius RE+400 m. What should this total flux be equal to according to Gauss's law?
 

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