Calculate thickness of organic layer on wire

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The discussion revolves around calculating the thickness of an organic layer coated on a wire. The problem involves understanding the relationship between the densities of the wire and the organic layer, as well as their respective volumes and masses. The context includes the geometry of the wire, assumed to be cylindrical, and the specific weights of the materials involved.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the thickness of the organic layer using mass and density relationships, while also seeking feedback on their code. Some participants suggest alternative methods and question the assumptions made regarding the dimensions and densities involved.

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Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, with some providing calculations and others suggesting alternative relationships between the variables. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the best approach or solution.

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There is a mention of a correction regarding the radius of the wire with the organic layer, which may affect the calculations. Additionally, the original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and seeks further clarification on the methods discussed.

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Hello

I have done some lab work where I have coated a wire with an organic layer.

The density of the organic layer is 800kg/m^3 and the density of the wire is 2620kg/m^3. I assume 1wt% of the wire is the organic layer the rest is the wire.

The mass of the wire with organic layer is 10^(-6)kg. I assume the geometry of the wire is a cylinder with radius 8.5*10^(-6)m.

What would be the thickness of the organic layer and what volume % will it have of the whole volume?Please comment my code. Is it right what I have done?



The Attempt at a Solution



I did the following calculation where I found the thickness of the organic layer to approx 72nm.

DensitetWire_Organiclayer=800*0.01+2620*0.99; %Density of wire with organic layer

RadiusWire_Organiclayer=8.5*10^(-6)%:0.5*10^(-6):12*10^(-6); %Radius of wire with organic layer

MassWire_Organiclayer=10^(-6);%Mass of wire with organic layer

MassWire=0.99*MassWire_Organiclayer;%Mass of wire

MassOrganiclayer=0.01*MassWire_Organiclayer;%Mass organic layer

Volume=MassWire_Organiclayer/DensitetWire_Organiclayer%Volume of wire with organic layer

LengthWire_Organiclayer=Volume/(pi*RadiusWire_Organiclayer^2);% Length of wire with organic layer

VolumeWire=MassWire/2620 %Volume wire

VolumeOrganiclayer=MassOrganiclayer/800 %Volume organic layer

RadiusWire=(VolumeWire/(pi*LengthWire_Organiclayer))^(1/2) %Radius wire


RadiusOrganiclayer=RadiusWire_Organiclayer-RadiusWire % Radius organic layer

Best Regards

Robin
 
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For the wire, m = density*volume = dπr²h (1)
For the coating, m = DV = D(πR²h - πr²h) = πhD(R²-r²) (2)
where r and d are the radius and density of the wire,
R and D the radius and density of the coating.
You can get the value for h from equation (1).
Then (2) can be used to find (R²-r²) and the thickness R-r. It worked out to about 40 x 10^-6 meters for me, but my calcs are not always correct!
 
Dear Delphi51

Thanks for your reply. I made mistake when I described my problem. 8.5*10^(-6)m is the radius of the wire with the organic layer. Sorry

This means I have to find another method. Then I tried the code under. Do you have another method?

DensitetWire_Organiclayer=800*0.01+2620*0.99; %Density of wire with organic layer

RadiusWire_Organiclayer=8.5*10^(-6); %Radius of wire with organic layer

MassWire_Organiclayer=10^(-6);%Mass of wire with organic layer

MassWire=0.99*MassWire_Organiclayer;%Mass of wire

MassOrganiclayer=0.01*MassWire_Organiclayer;%Mass organic layer

Volume=MassWire_Organiclayer/DensitetWire_Organiclayer%Volume of wire with organic layer

LengthWire_Organiclayer=Volume/(pi*RadiusWire_Organiclayer^2);% Length of wire with organic layer

VolumeWire=MassWire/2620 %Volume wire

VolumeOrganiclayer=MassOrganiclayer/800 %Volume organic layer

RadiusWire=(VolumeWire/(pi*LengthWire_Organiclayer))^(1/2) %Radius wire


RadiusOrganiclayer=RadiusWire_Organiclayer-RadiusWire % Radius organic layer

Best Regards

Robin
 
I'm an old retired physics teacher and my memory doesn't persist long enough to follow your solution! The numbers are just a blur. I really need something more compact that I can see all at once.

What happens if you take the ratio of the two equations I wrote earlier? The ratio of the masses is .01, the height cancels out and I think you are left with a relationship between the two radii. You know one of them, so you can use it to find the other.
 

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