Calculate Time Difference: Relativity Equation for Sun and Earth Masses

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of time differences experienced by observers in different gravitational fields, specifically comparing the Sun and Earth. Participants explore the implications of mass and gravitational potential on the passage of time, referencing relativity concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks an equation to calculate the time difference between the Sun and Earth, suggesting that time moves slower for larger masses.
  • Another participant argues that while time moves more slowly in a gravitational field, the difference between the Sun and Earth's gravitational fields is not significant.
  • A participant emphasizes that the effect on time is related to gravitational potential rather than size, suggesting that a denser object could have a greater effect on time than a larger one.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding how gravity behaves, noting that gravitational strength decreases with distance from the center of mass, which affects time measurement at different heights.
  • An example is given comparing the gravitational effects of the Earth and Moon, illustrating how mass and distance from the center of gravity influence perceived gravity and time.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass, gravitational potential, and time measurement. There is no consensus on the specific equation or method to calculate the time difference between the Sun and Earth.

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Participants highlight that the calculations depend on assumptions about gravitational fields and distances, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in measuring time in varying gravitational potentials.

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Hey everyone,

This is my 1st post here. I need help in finding an equation. I read the time moves slower for larger objects that smaller ones. For example a day form the sun’s point of view could be equal to let's say a month in earth’s view. So if I have the mass of Earth and the sun’s mass how can I calculate the exact difference in time? I.e.: 1 sun day equals how many human days. I hope o asked in a clear way. I’m not asking how many times the Earth rotates in 1 sun rotation. Thanks in advance
 
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Time moves more slowly in a gravitational field, but the difference between the Sun and Earth gravitational fields is not that great. Gravity depends on density and distance from the centre of gravity so the sun although far larger than the Earth does not experience a time frame that is greatly different to that on Earth.
 
well i am aware of that. i gave the Earth and the sun as examples. i need the equation to calculate larger sizes.
 
It has nothing to do with size - clocks run slower in a stronger gravitational potential - if you placed a clock "A" close to an object the size of the Earth that had a much larger density than the earth, the clock "A" would run slower than a clock "B" placed near the surface of the Sun.
 
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In order to understand this you have to examine the behaviour of gravity which is inversely proportional to the distance from the centre of gravity. In other words a clock at sea level and a clock at the top of a tall building will measure time at different rates, even though they are both on Earth. Even your feet experience more gravity than does your head.

Try this example which I hope will help you to understand how a gravity field operates. The mass of the Earth is 81.3 times greater than the Moon, so we might expect the Earth’s gravity to be 81.3 times greater than that of the moon. Gravity weakens as we move away from the centre of gravity. This means that on the surface of the moon, we are 1,738 km from its centre of gravity but on the Earth’s surface, we are 6,371 km from the centre of gravity. This distance is 3.666 times greater on Earth, so to compare surface gravity we need to divide Earth’s 81.3 times greater gravitational potential by 3.666(squared) or 13.44. The result is that Earth’s gravity is only 6.05 times greater than the moon’s despite its mass being 81.3 times greater.
 

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