Calculating $2\sqrt{2}$ to Infinity

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the expression $2\sqrt{2\sqrt[5]{2\sqrt[8]{2\sqrt[11]{2 \cdots}}}}$. Participants explore the nature of the exponents involved and the convergence of the series that arises from the expression, delving into both theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the expression can be represented as $2^{1+{1\over2}+{1\over10}+{1\over80}+{1\over880}+\ldots}$, but the pattern of the exponents is unclear.
  • Another participant questions the pattern of the roots, pointing out that while some follow a sequence, the transition from 1 to 2 does not fit the observed pattern.
  • A different participant suggests a formula involving a product and indicates that Mathematica suggests this does not converge.
  • One participant disputes the equivalence of two expressions involving logarithms and series, indicating a misunderstanding in their earlier reading.
  • Another participant presents a detailed breakdown of the logarithmic form of the expression and introduces a recurrence relation for the coefficients in the series, expressing uncertainty about solving it.

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Participants express differing views on the patterns in the exponents and the convergence of the series. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the nature of the series involved, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of the series and the challenges in identifying a clear pattern or convergence, with participants acknowledging the non-trivial nature of the problem.

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Calculate $2\sqrt{2\sqrt[5]{2\sqrt[8]{2\sqrt[11]{2 \cdots}}}}$.
I know only that $...=2^{1+{1\over2}+{1\over10}+{1\over80}+{1\over880}+\ldots}$
 
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In order to answer that we will need to know exactly how the exponent are calculated. You have roots of 1, 2, 5, 8, 11. But what next? I don't see any obvious pattern.
 
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Really? I saw that 2+ 3= 5, 5+ 3= 8, 8+ 3= 11 but 1 to 2 does not fit that.
 
If you want:
calculate $2\ \cdot \ \sqrt{2\sqrt[5]{2\sqrt[8]{2\sqrt[11]{2 \cdots}}}}$.
2 * "that sqrts"
 
So you need
[math]2 \sqrt{2} \sqrt{ \Pi _{n = 0}^{\infty} 2^{1/(5 + 3n)} }[/math]

I have no proof but Mathematica says this does not converge.

-Dan
 
No,
[math]2 \sqrt{2} \sqrt{ \Pi _{n = 0}^{\infty} 2^{1/(5 + 3n)} } \neq 2^{1+\frac12+\frac1{2\cdot5}+\frac1{2\cdot5\cdot8}+\frac1{2\cdot5\cdot8\cdot11}+\cdots}[/math]
 
Yes, I was reading that wrong.

Okay, I can't finish it but I can get it started.
[math]P = 2\sqrt{2\sqrt[5]{2\sqrt[8]{2\sqrt[11]{2 \cdots}}}}[/math]

[math]P = 2 \cdot 2^{1/2 + 1/2 \cdot 1/5 + 1/2 \cdot 1/5 \cdot 1/8 + 1/2 \cdot 1/5 \cdot 1/8 \cdot 1/11 + \text{ ...}}[/math]

[math]ln(P) = ln(2) + \dfrac{1}{2} ln(2) + \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot \dfrac{1}{5} ln(2) + \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot \dfrac{1}{5} \cdot \dfrac{1}{8} ln(2) + \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot \dfrac{1}{5} \cdot \dfrac{1}{8} \cdot \dfrac{1}{11} ln(2) + \text{ ...}[/math]

[math]ln(P) = ln(2) \left ( \dfrac{1}{2} + \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot \dfrac{1}{5} + \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot \dfrac{1}{5} \cdot \dfrac{1}{8} + \dfrac{1}{2} \cdot \dfrac{1}{5} \cdot \dfrac{1}{8} \cdot \dfrac{1}{11} + \text{ ...} \right )[/math]

So we have the form
[math]ln(P) = ln(2) \left ( \sum_{n = 0}^{ \infty } a_n \right )[/math]
where [math]a_n = \dfrac{ a_{n - 1} }{3n + 2}[/math], with [math]a_0 = \dfrac{1}{2}[/math]

The trouble is that the series is neither arithmetic nor geometric. The defining recurrence is [math](3n + 2)a_n - a_{n - 1} = 0[/math] and I have never solved one of these before. (I don't even know how to get Mathematica to solve it.) And the, once you get [math]a_n[/math] you still have to sum it.

This is a highly non-trivial problem for a specific value of n. There may be a way to make it simpler in the limit as n goes to infinity.

-Dan
 

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