Calculating Acceleration and Tension on an Inclined Plane with Friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration and tension in a system involving two blocks on an inclined plane with friction. The first block has a mass of 4.0 kg, the second block has a mass of 5.0 kg, and the coefficient of kinetic friction is given as 0.24. The incline angle is 30 degrees.

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  • Participants discuss applying Newton's second law to both blocks, considering forces in both x and y directions. There are attempts to derive equations for tension and acceleration based on the forces acting on the blocks.

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Some participants have provided calculations and expressed uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches. Others have pointed out potential errors in the equations used and questioned the application of forces, particularly the normal force. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


In the figure
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(sorry for that quick drawing with paint) m_1 (first block) = 4.0kg, m_2 = 5.0kg and the coefficient of kinetic friction between the incline plane and the first block is \mu_k = 0.24. Incline = 30 degree with horizontal

Find the magnitude of the acceleration of the masses and the tension of the cord


Homework Equations


(1) \sum Fnet = ma
(2) f_k = \mu_k*F_n

The Attempt at a Solution


I applied (1) to the first block in the x-direction and then in the y-direction
Found:
F_n - m_1*g*\sin\theta = 0 (a_y = 0) => F_n = m_1*g*\sin\theta [a]
T - f_k - m_1*g*\cos\theta = m_1*a_x

I applied (1) to block 2
m_2*g - T = m_2*a_y

Added [a] to
m_2*g - f_k - m_1*g*\cos\theta = m_1*a_x + m_2*a_y
<=>m_2*g - \mu_k *m_1*g*\sin\theta - m_1*g*\cos\theta = (m_1+m_2)a
<=>g*\frac{m_2 - \mu_k *m_1*\sin\theta - m_1*\cos\theta}{m_1+m_2}=a

What am I doing wrong?
 
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Here's what we got: Force from block (2) = 9.81 * 5 = 49.05N
weight of block (1) = mg = 9.81 * 4 = 39.24
Normal reaction force = 39.24cos(30) = 33.98N
Frictional force = 33.98 * 0.26 = 8.84N
force due to gravity parallel to inclined plane = 39.24sin(30) = 19.62N
Total retarding force from block (1) = 19.62N + 8.84N = 28.46N
Tension in rope = 49.05 - 28.46 = 20.60N

There is constant tension in the rope => magnitude of acceleration is constant and equal for masses.
Mass total = 4 + 5 = 9kg
a = F/m = 20.60/9.00 = 2.29ms-2

Cross my fingers I didn't read the question wrong or make any stupid mistakes. It is ridiculously late at the moment..
 
Your equation has gone a bit wrong..

Fn - M1*g*cos30 = 0 will be right

M2*G - T = M2*a

T - M1*G*SIN30 - FRICTIONAL FORCE = M1*A.

i think that will give the answer.
 
why do you have normal force in the X direction. the normal force only apply on vertical which is y direction.
BUT THIS FORMULA IS DEPENDS ON YOUR ANGLE.
so Normal force - cos(teta)mg = 0 in the y dirction
tension -mg = am

In the x direction will be sin(teta)mg = am if there is no friction .
 
vishal_garg, thank you so much :D I spent the whole night banging my head again my desk trying to figure out what I was doing wrong...

Thanks for all replies
 
No need to say that nvictor...
well are you studying in school or college.??
 
College :)
 
great...
 

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