Calculating Acceleration and Tension with Newton's Laws | Frictionless Surface"

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The problem involves two crates on a horizontal frictionless surface, where a woman applies a horizontal force to one of the crates. The discussion focuses on calculating the acceleration of the crates and the tension in the rope connecting them, utilizing Newton's laws of motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law, questioning the net forces acting on both crates and the implications of the applied force. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the acceleration of the system and the forces involved, including the tension in the rope.

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Some participants have provided insights into the common acceleration of both crates and how to calculate the tension based on the forces acting on each crate. There is an ongoing exploration of how to represent the forces through free body diagrams, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are considering the effects of the applied force and the mass of both crates, as well as the role of tension in the system. There is mention of drawing free body diagrams to better understand the forces at play, which suggests a need for visual representation in the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


The crates are on a horizontal frictionless surface. The woman (wearing golf shoes so that she can get traction) applies a horizontal force F = 50.0N to the 6.00kg crate.
a.) what is the magnitude of the acceleration of the 6.00kg crate?
b.) what is the tension T in the rope (of negligible mass) connecting the two crates?
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Homework Equations


[tex]F = ma[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



a.) since the horizontal component of force has only 50 Newtons with zero friction:
[tex]F_x = ma[/tex]
[tex]a = \frac{m}{F_{x}}[/tex]
[tex]a = \frac{6.00kg}{50.0N}[/tex]
[tex]a = 8.33 \frac{m}{s^2}[/tex]

b.) Tension?
No other x component of force
so i believe the tension is 50.0N
 
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But she's not moving only the 6 kg crate! Yes, the 50 N force is on the 6 kg crate but there is also a force (that you don't know yet) caused by the drag of the 4 kg chart.

In essence she is moving both crates: a total of 10 kg. There common acceleration is
[tex]\frac{50}{10}= 5 m/s^2[/itex]<br /> (you have your fraction upside down! Since F= ma, a= F/m, not m/F.)<br /> <br /> Now, what what NET force would produce that acceleration in the 6 kg crate alone? (F= ma= (6)(5)) The difference between that and the 50 N is the "drag" of the 4 kg crate and is the tension in the rope between.[/tex]
 
you have the acceleration of both the blocks. draw the free body diagram of the two blocks saperately and find the tension
 
hey pretty much beautiful drawing of the lady there:)
 
hey thanks a lot :smile:
so 20N is the tension between the crate

i think when you already have an acceleration you can instantly compute for the tension between 4kg and 6kg mass... using the 4kg mass,

so 4kg(5m/s^2) = 20N
 
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right on. the tension is the only force moving the 4kg mass.
 
w8 how would i draw a free body diagram on the two blocks including the woman? and the forces acting on each body?
FBDof1.jpg
 
F is 50N from the problem, you have the acceleration of the blocks(that is 5m/s/s).
only force on 4kg block is tension in the rope.
on the 6kg block, net force in the direction of acceleration or motion is applied force - tension in the rope.
on the lady, friction balances the 50 N
 

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