Calculating Acceleration on a Ramp with Friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of a block being pulled on a surface with friction. The block has a mass of 20 kg and is subjected to a pulling force at an angle, while a frictional force is also acting on it.

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  • Participants explore the application of Newton's second law, questioning how to incorporate the frictional force into the calculations. There are discussions about the correct interpretation of forces acting on the block, including the angles involved.

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Some participants provide guidance on how to set up the equations, emphasizing the need to account for the frictional force. There is an ongoing exploration of the angles associated with the forces, with differing assumptions about the block's orientation on a flat surface versus a ramp.

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There is confusion regarding the setup of the problem, particularly whether the block is on a flat surface or a ramp, which affects the interpretation of the angles involved in the forces.

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1. What is the acceleration of the 20 kg block if the block is being pulled with a force of 150 N at 60 degrees above the X+ axis and there is a frictional force of 20 N acting on the block?



2. F=ma, Fcos(theta).



3. I did (150)cos(60)=(20)a ---> 75=20a ---> a=3.75 m/s

Just wondering if this was correct and if I did it the right way. Thank you
 
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You have to remember that the friction force also applies here.

\SigmaF = m*a

\SigmaF = Fcos(theta) - friction = ma

Correct?
 
I don't think you used the frictional force of 20N in your equation.

Aggression200 said:
You have to remember that the friction force also applies here.

\SigmaF = m*a

\SigmaF = Fcos(theta) - friction = ma

Correct?

Wouldn't it be \SigmaF = Fnetcos(theta) = ma
 
VACA said:
I don't think you used the frictional force of 20N in your equation.
Wouldn't it be \SigmaF = Fnetcos(theta) = ma
You wouldn't multiply the frictional force by cos(theta) though.

If you draw your FBD...

You have a friction force going straight backwards with a magnitude of 20 N. Therefore, it has an angle of 180 with direction of motion, so cos(180) = -1. The 60.0 degrees ONLY affects the diagonal force.

\SigmaF = Fcos(theta) - friction = ma

:smile:
 
Aggression200 said:
You wouldn't multiply the frictional force by cos(theta) though.

If you draw your FBD...

You have a friction force going straight backwards with a magnitude of 20 N. Therefore, it has an angle of 180 with direction of motion, so cos(180) = -1. The 60.0 degrees ONLY affects the diagonal force.

\SigmaF = Fcos(theta) - friction = ma

:smile:

How do you know that the angle of the friction is 180? Wouldn't the angle of friction be 240 degrees, because of the 60 degree incline?

How did you draw your FBD?
 
VACA said:
How do you know that the angle of the friction is 180? Wouldn't the angle of friction be 240 degrees, because of the 60 degree incline?
Consider that the Force being applied is someone pulling on a string. That string is 60.0 degrees to the flat surface the block is on. Ergo, the Force is at 60.0 degrees to the horizontal. And the friction is acting on the flat surface, keeping the angle at 180.But, to answer your question about a 60 degree incline...

Even if the block was on a 60 degree incline, the friction force's angle would still be 180 degrees. Since the direction of motion would still be going up the ramp, the direction of friction would be going the exact opposite of the direction of motion, making a 180 degree angle (straight line).

:smile:

I drew my FBD:

Weight force going down.
Normal force going up.
Friction force going to the right.
Some force going up and to the left, forming a 60.0 angle with the horizontal.

I assume the block is on a flat surface.
 
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Oh, I assumed the block was on a ramp. That's why I was getting confused.
 

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