Calculating Acceleration with Tension: A Troubleshooting Guide

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The discussion revolves around calculating acceleration in a physics problem involving tension and angles. Participants are troubleshooting their calculations and interpretations related to the setup of the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining their calculations and questioning the placement of angles in their formulas. There are discussions about the relationships between the sides of a triangle and the tangent function, as well as the implications of certain assumptions on the results.

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing guidance on re-evaluating the use of angles and the sides of the triangle in their calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the relationships between variables and the implications of infinite acceleration.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of their mathematical models, particularly when results suggest infinite values, which raises questions about the validity of their assumptions. The problem context includes specific references to angles and tension in a physical setup.

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I have attached my calculations.
In the problem do they mean acceleration from K to Y?
Where did I go wrong in my calculations?
THANKS IN ADVANCE
 

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You did not go wrong anywhere, but you did not finish. You have some angle in your formula, while the expected result does not have any.
 
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I have Tx=(FCOSα)/(2SINα)=(F)/(2TANα)=[F(L2-X2)0.5)]/2X
I have the wrong answer:(
 
You obviously used the wrong sides of the triangle to compute the tangent function. Think about that again. If you come to the same result again, post your thoughts here, and we will discuss.
 
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Why the wrong sides?
 

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Which side is x? How is it related with the angle?
 
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tanα=x/(L2-X2)0.5
 

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x is the perpendicular distance from the line of F. Is that the case on your diagram?
 
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Thus it is going to be tanα=(L2-X2)0.5/X? With 2Tsinα=F it seems to give the right answer, however in the "student solution" they refer to that problem as having 2Tcosα=F, Am I right this time?
Does it matter where I decide to place α ?
 
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1. From the start x=L thus is the acceleration infinite?
2. Is ax changing while F is constant?
 
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The notation in your working hurts my brain.
 
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user5 said:
Thus it is going to be tanα=(L2-X2)0.5/X? With 2Tsinα=F it seems to give the right answer, however in the "student solution" they refer to that problem as having 2Tcosα=F, Am I right this time?
Does it matter where I decide to place α ?

Obviously, there are two angles that you can use, but the end result should be the same.

user5 said:
1. From the start x=L thus is the acceleration infinite?

Nothing ever gets infinite in the real world. If you get something infinite in a problem, that means that its mathematical model becomes invalid.

2. Is ax changing while F is constant?

It depends on the angle, so, yes.
 
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voko, I'm grateful to you for your help!
 

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