Calculating an equations error given the error of a single value

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total error in the equation E = 0.5mv², particularly focusing on how the error in the measured velocity affects the overall error in energy calculation. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and error analysis in experimental contexts.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

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  • One participant asks about the total error in energy calculation given a 10% error in velocity.
  • Another participant questions whether the original post is a homework question and suggests discussing the thought process behind calculating such errors.
  • A different participant proposes that the error in mass (m) should also be considered, indicating that percentage errors are added when dealing with products, while sums require direct addition of errors.
  • Another participant references an engineering rule of thumb regarding error propagation, explaining that when measurements are added or subtracted, their errors add, whereas for multiplication or division, relative errors are summed. They provide a mathematical derivation for the relative error in the context of the equation E = 0.5mv².

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the calculation of total error, particularly regarding the treatment of mass and the application of error propagation rules. No consensus is reached on a definitive method for calculating the total error in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify assumptions regarding the values of m or v, nor do they specify the context of the measurements. There is also no resolution on the mathematical steps involved in the error calculation.

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Say you had an equation like E = .5mv2. If in an experiment the velocity is measured, but has an error of 10%, what would be the total error in calculating E?
 
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Hi buttermellow, welcome to PF! :smile:

Is this a homework question?

If so, what do you think it should be?
That way we can help you better to understand how to calculate such errors... :wink:
 
What about m? Just use addition of percentage error here. While making product percentage errors are added, while making sums just add errors. After all, uncertainty of E depends on m as well.
 
There is an engineers rule of thumb that says that when measurements are added or subtracted their errors add. When measurements are multiplied or divided, their relative errors (error divided by the value) add.

If f= xy and x has error dx, y has error dy, then f could be as large as (x+ dx)(y+ dy)= xy+ xdy+ ydx+ dxdy. Neglecting the small dxdy (if dx and dy are small, dxdy will be much smaller), the error is xdy+ ydx so the relative error is (xdy+ ydx)/(xy)= dy/y+ dx/x.

With 0.5mv^2, for small errors dm and dv, the relative error is dm/m+ 2dv/v.
 

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