Calculating and Graphing the 4th Root of -4

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The discussion revolves around calculating and graphing the 4th root of -4, a topic within complex numbers and roots of equations. Participants explore how to express -4 in a suitable form for finding its roots and how to represent it graphically.

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  • Participants discuss expressing -4 in complex exponential form and question the calculation of its argument. There are attempts to clarify how to find the 4th root and the implications of using Euler's formula. Some participants express confusion about the process and seek further elaboration on the steps involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the calculations of angles and roots. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Euler's formula and the representation of complex numbers, though there remains a lack of consensus on certain aspects of the problem.

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Participants are working under the constraints of not using calculators and are exploring the implications of their calculations in the context of complex numbers. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions related to the representation and calculation of roots.

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Hello everyone.

How to find the 4th root of -4? I know it's just plugging in the number into the formula but how since n=4, how can we calculate that without calculator? And how to draw it? Here I attached what I have done so far.
 

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How you draw z=-4? What is the angle of -4? It is not 0 as you wrote.

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It would help to express -4 in complex exponential form.
 
MissP.25_5 said:
Hello everyone.

How to find the 4th root of -4? I know it's just plugging in the number into the formula but how since n=4, how can we calculate that without calculator? And how to draw it? Here I attached what I have done so far.

You've made a simple mistake in your calculation of arg(-4).

z = -4 + i0, or (-4, 0)

θ = arctan (0/-4) = π

Even though z = -4, draw it on the complex plane properly.
 
SteamKing said:
You've made a simple mistake in your calculation of arg(-4).

z = -4 + i0, or (-4, 0)

θ = arctan (0/-4) = π

Even though z = -4, draw it on the complex plane properly.

Oh yes, that was a careless mistake. Ok, so now I have the values:
r=4
n=4
θ=∏

But how do I find 4√4 ?
 
You know that x^4= (x^2)^2, right? So \sqrt[4]{4}= \sqrt{\sqrt{4}}. What is the square root of 4? What is the square root of that?
 
SteamKing said:
Use this information and apply Euler's formula.

z = r e^{i θ}

z^{1/n} = r^{1/n} e^{i kθ / n}, 0\leq k \lt n

See:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Extras/ComplexPrimer/Roots.aspx

If I compute z = r e^{i θ}, wouldn't that bring us back to the start? Because that is -4.
Could you elaborate please? I don't really get it.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You know that x^4= (x^2)^2, right? So \sqrt[4]{4}= \sqrt{\sqrt{4}}. What is the square root of 4? What is the square root of that?

Thanks! I never thought of that. But what if we were to find the 5th root? I don't think this method can be applied.
 
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MissP.25_5 said:
If I compute z = r e^{i θ}, wouldn't that bring us back to the start? Because that is -4.
Could you elaborate please? I don't really get it.

That's your problem in a nutshell. You are working with complex numbers and you don't understand what is going on.

SteamKing said:
Use this information and apply Euler's formula.

z = r e^{i θ}

z^{1/n} = r^{1/n} e^{i kθ / n}, 0\leq k \lt n

I wrote these two formulas as a reminder of

1. how to express any number in exponential form, using Euler's formula, and

2. how to find the n nth roots of said number.

Your original problem was to find the 4 fourth roots of -4, or in other words, solve the equation

z^{4}+4 = 0 or

z^{4}= -4

Let's say the solutions to this equation are the complex numbers

ω_{1}, ω_{2}, ω_{3}, and ω_{4}

By writing -4 in the form z = r e^{i θ}, where z = -4,
we can use the second formula from the quote,

z^{1/n} = r^{1/n} e^{i kθ / n}

to calculate the numerical values of ω

I really recommend that you study the article linked below very carefully:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Extras/ComplexPrimer/Roots.aspx

For a better visual representation of the cyclic nature of such roots:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RootofUnity.html
 

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