Calculating and Graphing the 4th Root of -4

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Hello everyone.

How to find the 4th root of -4? I know it's just plugging in the number into the formula but how since n=4, how can we calculate that without calculator? And how to draw it? Here I attached what I have done so far.
 

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It would help to express -4 in complex exponential form.
 
MissP.25_5 said:
Hello everyone.

How to find the 4th root of -4? I know it's just plugging in the number into the formula but how since n=4, how can we calculate that without calculator? And how to draw it? Here I attached what I have done so far.

You've made a simple mistake in your calculation of arg(-4).

z = -4 + i0, or (-4, 0)

θ = arctan (0/-4) = π

Even though z = -4, draw it on the complex plane properly.
 
SteamKing said:
You've made a simple mistake in your calculation of arg(-4).

z = -4 + i0, or (-4, 0)

θ = arctan (0/-4) = π

Even though z = -4, draw it on the complex plane properly.

Oh yes, that was a careless mistake. Ok, so now I have the values:
r=4
n=4
θ=∏

But how do I find 4√4 ?
 
MissP.25_5 said:
Oh yes, that was a careless mistake. Ok, so now I have the values:
r=4
n=4
θ=∏

But how do I find 4√4 ?

Use this information and apply Euler's formula.

z = r e[itex]^{i θ}[/itex]

z[itex]^{1/n}[/itex] = r[itex]^{1/n}[/itex] e[itex]^{i kθ / n}[/itex], [itex]0\leq k \lt n[/itex]

See:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Extras/ComplexPrimer/Roots.aspx
 
SteamKing said:
Use this information and apply Euler's formula.

z = r e[itex]^{i θ}[/itex]

z[itex]^{1/n}[/itex] = r[itex]^{1/n}[/itex] e[itex]^{i kθ / n}[/itex], [itex]0\leq k \lt n[/itex]

See:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Extras/ComplexPrimer/Roots.aspx

If I compute z = r e[itex]^{i θ}[/itex], wouldn't that bring us back to the start? Because that is -4.
Could you elaborate please? I don't really get it.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You know that [tex]x^4= (x^2)^2[/tex], right? So [tex]\sqrt[4]{4}= \sqrt{\sqrt{4}}[/tex]. What is the square root of 4? What is the square root of that?

Thanks! I never thought of that. But what if we were to find the 5th root? I don't think this method can be applied.
 
MissP.25_5 said:
If I compute z = r e[itex]^{i θ}[/itex], wouldn't that bring us back to the start? Because that is -4.
Could you elaborate please? I don't really get it.

That's your problem in a nutshell. You are working with complex numbers and you don't understand what is going on.

SteamKing said:
Use this information and apply Euler's formula.

z = r e[itex]^{i θ}[/itex]

z[itex]^{1/n}[/itex] = r[itex]^{1/n}[/itex] e[itex]^{i kθ / n}[/itex], [itex]0\leq k \lt n[/itex]

I wrote these two formulas as a reminder of

1. how to express any number in exponential form, using Euler's formula, and

2. how to find the n nth roots of said number.

Your original problem was to find the 4 fourth roots of -4, or in other words, solve the equation

[itex]z^{4}+4 = 0[/itex] or

[itex]z^{4}= -4[/itex]

Let's say the solutions to this equation are the complex numbers

[itex]ω_{1}, ω_{2}, ω_{3}[/itex], and [itex]ω_{4}[/itex]

By writing -4 in the form [itex]z = r e^{i θ}[/itex], where z = -4,
we can use the second formula from the quote,

z[itex]^{1/n}[/itex] = r[itex]^{1/n}[/itex] e[itex]^{i kθ / n}[/itex]

to calculate the numerical values of ω

I really recommend that you study the article linked below very carefully:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Extras/ComplexPrimer/Roots.aspx

For a better visual representation of the cyclic nature of such roots:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RootofUnity.html