Calculating Angle Theta in a Two-Puck Elastic Collision

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The problem involves a two-puck elastic collision where one puck is initially at rest, and the other is moving. The objective is to determine the angle theta at which the first puck moves after the collision, given its initial and final velocities, as well as the angle phi for the second puck.

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  • Participants discuss using conservation of momentum and energy to derive equations for the angles involved. There are attempts to express the velocities in terms of the angles and to relate the angles through trigonometric identities.

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Some participants have provided equations derived from the conservation laws and are exploring relationships between the angles. There is a suggestion that the angle between the final velocities of the pucks might be 90 degrees, leading to further exploration of trigonometric relationships.

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Suppose there are two puck of equal mass. That the first puck moves to the east at a velocity of 3.6 m/s while the second one is at rest. Then there is an elastic collision. The first puck moves at an angle theta north of east with a velocity of 1.3 m/s. The second puck moves south of east at angle phi. What is the angle theta?

I have attempted the problem but haven't gotten it to work out yet. Here is what I did.

Momentum in the x direction:
[tex]v_{1i}=v_{1f}*cos(\theta )+v_{2f}cos(\phi )[/tex]

Momentum in the y direction:
[tex]0=v_{1f}*sin(\theta )+v_{2f}sin(\phi )[/tex]

Consevation of Energy:
[tex]v_{1i}^2=v_{1f}^2+v_{2f}^2[/tex]
 
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It looks like you can get v2 from the conservation of energy equation, and then you have 2 equations and the two unknown angles...
 
I have a hard time solving the equations once I get them.

From energy we can say:
[tex]v_{2f}=\sqrt{v_{1i}^2-v_{1f}^2[/tex]

From y momentum we get:
[tex]sin(\phi )=\frac{-v_{1f}*sin(\theta )}{v_{2f}}[/tex]

From the x momentum we get:
[tex]cos(\phi )=\frac{v_{1i}-v_{1f}*cos(\theta )}{v_{2f}}[/tex]

Here is the trick. I draw the triangles then I say that the adjacent legs are the same value since both have the same hypotnuse v2f and the same angle phi.
[tex]v_{1i}-v_{1f}*cos(\theta )=\sqrt{v_{2f}^2-(v_{1f}*sin(\phi )^2}[/tex]

From here it is possible to solve I just wondered if anyone knew any easier way.
 
Is the angle between the final velocity of the pucks supposed to be 90 degrees because when I worked it out I got something like 88.6 degrees?
 
I read that it is always 90 degrees so I guess I can say:

90= theta - phi

since phi is going in the negative direction.

Then I could use the double angle thereom which might be a little easier. The final expression I ended up with was:

[tex]cos(\theta )=\frac{V_{1f}}{V_{1i}}[/tex]

Which seems so simple, yet I had to go through so many hoops to get it. I feel like there must be some short cut.
 
yep it is much easier to say that:
sin(Phi)=sin(pheta-90)=-cos(pheta)
 

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