Calculating Black Hole Gravity: Velocity > Light Speed?

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The discussion centers on the gravitational acceleration of black holes as described by General Relativity (GR) using the equation \( a = \frac{{GM}}{{r^2 \sqrt {1 - \frac{{r_s }}{r}} }} \). It is established that as a mass approaches the event horizon (\( r = r_s \)), its acceleration tends to infinity, leading to the misconception that its velocity must exceed the speed of light. However, the discussion clarifies that while acceleration can be infinite, it does not imply an infinite velocity due to the constraints of GR. The thrust required for an observer to hover near a black hole diverges, necessitating a greater thrust than Newtonian gravity to maintain position.

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I have a simple question
in GR we can claculate the gravitational acceleration of the black hole with the Equation :
<br /> \[<br /> a = \frac{{GM}}{{r^2 \sqrt {1 - \frac{{r_s }}{r}} }}<br /> \]<br />
now , the acceleration of a mass which falls into the black hole at the event horizon (when<br /> \[<br /> r = r_s <br /> \]<br />)
goes to infinity . So the velocity of this mass must be greater than the speed of light.
How ?
 
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Acceleration is the derivative of velocity. There is a limit on speed, not acceleration. An arbitrarily large acceleration does not imply an arbitrarily large speed.
 
Acceleration vector of a hovering observer in a simple BH model

the one said:
in GR we can claculate the gravitational acceleration of the black hole with the Equation :
<br /> \[<br /> a = \frac{{GM}}{{r^2 \sqrt {1 - \frac{{r_s }}{r}} }}<br /> \]<br />

This is the path curvature of the world line of an observer who uses his rocket engine to hover over a non-rotating massive object (not neccessarily a black hole!) whose exterior gravitational field is modeled by the Schwarzschild vacuum solution
<br /> ds^2 = -\sqrt{1-2m/r} \, dt^2 + \frac{dr^2}{\sqrt{1-2m/r}} <br /> + \left( d\theta^2 + \sin(\theta)^2 \, d\phi^2 \right),<br />
<br /> -\infty &lt; t &lt; \infty, \; 2m &lt; r &lt; \infty, \; 0 &lt; \theta &lt; \pi, \; -\pi &lt; \phi &lt; \pi<br />
(Good practice demands that you should always write out the line element with the intended range of the coordinates like this.) Or more precisely, the magnitude of the acceleration vector
<br /> \nabla_{\vec{e}_1} \vec{e}_1 = \frac{m/r^2}{\sqrt{1-2m/r}} \, \vec{e}_2<br />
where \vec{e}_1 = 1/\sqrt{1-2m/r} \, \partial_t is the tangent vector (a timelike unit vector) to the world line of our observer (which appears as a vertical coordinate line in our chart, but is nonetheless a curved path in the spacetime geometry), and where \vec{e}_2 = \sqrt{1-2m/r} \, \partial_r is a radially and outward pointing spacelike unit vector. Notice that our observer needs to accelerate radially outward, so he must fire his engine radially inward, with a thrust slightly greater than the Newtonian expression m/r^2. (To compare the two, note that the Schwarzschild radial coordinate is defined so that the area of the static sphere at the observer's location is A = 4 \pi \, r^2, which also makes sense in Newtonian gravitation, except that in gtr, the "radial distance" is not given by the Schwarzschild radial coordinate!)

BTW, correct me if I am wrong in assuming that you are an advanced undergraduate physics major who is currently studying gtr!

the one said:
now , the acceleration of a mass which falls into the black hole at the event horizon (when<br /> \[<br /> r = r_s <br /> \]<br />)
goes to infinity . So the velocity of this mass must be greater than the speed of light.
How ?

Rather, the thrust required to maintain the position of an observer hovering over a hole diverges as his (static) position approaches the horizon. Nothing mysterious there! All this says is that close to the horizon, no real rocket ship can possibly maintain constant r but must start to fall in radially.

I just said that in gtr, slightly greater radially inward thrust is required for a hovering observer to maintain his position than in Newtonian gravity. This suggests asking what happens if we consider an observer who fires his rocket engine with the Newtonian value. Does he slowly fall into the hole? To find out, consider the new frame field
<br /> \vec{f}_1 = \cosh(\alpha) \vec{e}_1 - \sinh(\alpha) \vec{e}_2, \;<br /> \vec{f}_2 = \cosh(\alpha) \vec{e}_2 - \sinh(\alpha) \vec{e}_1, \;<br /> \vec{f}_3 = \vec{e}_3, \; \vec{f}_4 = \vec{e}_4<br />
and determine the function \alpha(r) by demanding that the acceleration be \nabla_{\vec{f}_1} \vec{f}_1 = m/r^2 \, \vec{f}_2. Then finding the integral curve of \vec{f}_1 we see that such an observer does indeed slowly fall in. Look through the posts listed in the post in my current sig (22 Nov 2007) for posts in which I discuss static, slowfall, Lemaitre, and Frolov observers in several charts, including charts valid in both exterior and future interior regions.
 
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