Calculating capacitance from an AC circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the required capacitance to halve the power consumption of a coffee maker connected to an AC circuit. The original poster presents their method and compares it to a correct solution, highlighting discrepancies in their approaches.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the capacitance needed by analyzing power consumption and impedance in the circuit, but questions the theoretical basis of their method. They express uncertainty about the role of phase difference in their calculations.
  • Some participants suggest alternative approaches, including calculating the heater resistance and relating it to the capacitive reactance.
  • Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about voltage and the implications of using apparent power versus active power in the circuit.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some offering guidance on the importance of considering phase differences and power factors. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify assumptions about voltage in the context of the circuit.

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There is a discussion about the assumptions regarding the supply voltage and how it relates to the voltage across the coffee maker. The original poster's method is questioned for potentially overlooking the phase difference and its impact on power calculations.

imas145
This question is from my physics book and neither I nor my teacher can find the mistake in my method. (The original question is not in English so I'll do my best translating it)

> When a coffee maker is connected to the wall (230 V, 50 Hz) its power consumption is 180 W. The power consumption is wanted to cut in half by connecting a capacitor in series. How large should the capacitor's capacitance be?$$U=230 V, f=50 Hz, P_1=180W, P_2=90W, X_L=0$$
$$P_1=UI=RI^2=R(\frac{U}{R})^2=\frac{U^2}{R} \leftrightarrow PZ^2=RU^2 \leftrightarrow P=\frac{RU^2}{Z^2}$$
$$Z_1=\sqrt{R^2+(X_L-X_C)^2}=\sqrt{R^2}=R=\frac{U^2}{P_1}$$
$$Z_2=\sqrt{R^2+(X_L-X_C)^2} = \sqrt{R^2+X_C^2}=\sqrt{R^2+\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}}$$
$$Z=\frac{U}{I} \leftrightarrow ZI=U \leftrightarrow I=\frac{U}{Z}$$

My method

$$P_1=2P_2$$
$$UI_1=2UI_2$$
$$I_1=2I_2$$
$$\frac{U}{Z_1}=\frac{2U}{Z_2}$$
$$\frac{1}{Z_1}=\frac{2}{Z_2}$$
$$2Z_1=Z_2$$
$$2Z_1=\sqrt{R^2+\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}}$$
$$R^2+\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}=4Z_1^2$$
$$\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}=4Z_1^2-R^2$$
$$4\pi^2f^2C^2(4Z_1^2-R^2)=1$$
$$C^2=\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2(4Z_1^2-R^2)}$$
$$C=\frac{1}{2\pi f\sqrt{4Z_1^2-R^2}}$$

Correct method

$$P_1=2P_2$$
$$\frac{U^2}{Z_1}=\frac{2RU^2}{Z_2^2}$$
$$2Z_1^2=Z_2^2$$
$$2R^2=R^2+\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}$$
$$\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}=R^2$$
$$C=\frac{1}{2\pi fR}$$

As you can see, my answer differs by that I have $$\sqrt{4Z_1^2-R^2}$$ in the denominator, whereas the correct solution only has $$R$$. I can follow the correct method and I'm fairly sure all the algebra in my solution is also correct, so the mistake is most likely a theoretical one. My question is then: why did my method fail? My guess is that it has something to do with the phase difference because the second circuit has a capacitor as well as a resistor while the first one only has the resistor.
 
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imas145 said:
why did my method fail?
imas145 said:
This question is from my physics book and neither I nor my teacher can find the mistake in my method. (The original question is not in English so I'll do my best translating it)

> When a coffee maker is connected to the wall (230 V, 50 Hz) its power consumption is 180 W. The power consumption is wanted to cut in half by connecting a capacitor in series. How large should the capacitor's capacitance be?$$U=230 V, f=50 Hz, P_1=180W, P_2=90W, X_L=0$$
$$P_1=UI=RI^2=R(\frac{U}{R})^2=\frac{U^2}{R} \leftrightarrow PZ^2=RU^2 \leftrightarrow P=\frac{RU^2}{Z^2}$$
$$Z_1=\sqrt{R^2+(X_L-X_C)^2}=\sqrt{R^2}=R=\frac{U^2}{P_1}$$
$$Z_2=\sqrt{R^2+(X_L-X_C)^2} = \sqrt{R^2+X_C^2}=\sqrt{R^2+\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}}$$
$$Z=\frac{U}{I} \leftrightarrow ZI=U \leftrightarrow I=\frac{U}{Z}$$

My method

$$P_1=2P_2$$
$$UI_1=2UI_2$$ Is this equation correct?
$$I_1=2I_2$$
$$\frac{U}{Z_1}=\frac{2U}{Z_2}$$
$$\frac{1}{Z_1}=\frac{2}{Z_2}$$
$$2Z_1=Z_2$$
$$2Z_1=\sqrt{R^2+\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}}$$
$$R^2+\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}=4Z_1^2$$
$$\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}=4Z_1^2-R^2$$
$$4\pi^2f^2C^2(4Z_1^2-R^2)=1$$
$$C^2=\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2(4Z_1^2-R^2)}$$
$$C=\frac{1}{2\pi f\sqrt{4Z_1^2-R^2}}$$

Correct method

$$P_1=2P_2$$
$$\frac{U^2}{Z_1}=\frac{2RU^2}{Z_2^2}$$
$$2Z_1^2=Z_2^2$$
$$2R^2=R^2+\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}$$
$$\frac{1}{4\pi^2f^2C^2}=R^2$$
$$C=\frac{1}{2\pi fR}$$

As you can see, my answer differs by that I have $$\sqrt{4Z_1^2-R^2}$$ in the denominator, whereas the correct solution only has $$R$$. I can follow the correct method and I'm fairly sure all the algebra in my solution is also correct, so the mistake is most likely a theoretical one. My question is then: why did my method fail? My guess is that it has something to do with the phase difference because the second circuit has a capacitor as well as a resistor while the first one only has the resistor.
 
The math may have become unnecessarily complex.

Another approach:
  1. Calculate heater resistance from the given voltage and wattage rating.
  2. Power is cut in half when Xc equals heater resistance. Xc=Rheater
  3. Xc=1/(2πfC). Rearrange to solve for C.
C=1/(2πfXc)
 
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Would the correct equation then be ##P=UIcos\theta## where ##\theta## is the phase difference, hence making my approach unusable since I don't know the phase difference?
 
imas145 said:
Would the correct equation then be ##P=UIcos\theta## where ##\theta## is the phase difference, hence making my approach unusable since I don't know the phase difference?
No. You have assumed the voltage to be same in both the cases. Is that correct?
 
cnh1995 said:
No. You have assumed the voltage to be same in both the cases. Is that correct?
I think so, since it’s plugged into the wall which supplies 230 volts
 
Ok, I was assuming U to be the voltage across the coffee-maker and not the supply voltage. If you are assuming U to be 230V, then you're right you should include cosθ in your equation.
imas145 said:
I think so, since it’s plugged into the wall which supplies 230 volts
The active power in the circuit i.e. the power dissipated in the coffee maker is halved. You have assumed U=230V, means you wrote the equation for the "apparent power" in the circuit. Add power factor in the equation.
 
imas145 said:
Would the correct equation then be ##P=UIcos\theta## where ##\theta## is the phase difference, hence making my approach unusable since I don't know the phase difference?
No, that wasn't it. I believe the formula @cnh1995 highlighted in red is where things went wrong.

imas145 said:
As you can see, my answer differs by that I have

##\sqrt{4Z_1^2-R^2}##

in the denominator, whereas the correct solution only has R

Asymptotic said:
Power is cut in half when Xc equals heater resistance. Xc=Rheater
This load is an impedance consisting of the series connected heater resistance, and capacitive reactance. To reduce heater power in two, Z must be twice the heater resistance (that is, heater resistance plus capacitive reactance = Z). Half of the supply voltage is dropped across the heater, and the other half is dropped across the capacitor.

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In a circuit built with an actual (non-ideal) resistance and capacitance it may be necessary to consider the minor role inductance and capacitance have in the heater, inductive and resistive properties of the capacitor, and factor in their resulting phase shifts, but in this ideal case Xc=Rheater, and is why the correct solution only had R in the formula ##C=\frac{1}{2\pi fR}##

Edit:I'm forgetting the basics in my dotage; what I said above is wrong - It is NOT half of the supply voltage.
In a capacitor, current leads voltage by 90°. It is the vectoral sum of resistor and capacitor voltage that adds up to the supply voltage. Working back from calculated element resistance (180W at 230V) unless I've boogered it up again, Vr and Vc are both 162.7 volts with the capacitor added.
 
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