Calculating change in angle from an impulse force

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum angle a rifle raises after firing, given various parameters such as the force from the bullet, the weight of the gun, and distances related to the center of mass and pivot point. The subject area includes concepts from dynamics and rotational motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster seeks guidance on determining the maximum angle of the gun after firing, expressing uncertainty due to a lack of prior experience with similar problems. Some participants suggest using conservation of angular momentum to find initial angular velocity and discuss the need for a model of mass distribution to calculate the moment of inertia. Others inquire about deriving the maximum angle from angular velocity and propose using energy conservation principles to relate kinetic and potential energy.

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Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, including conservation laws and energy principles. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some guidance offered on how to relate angular velocity to maximum angle through energy conservation, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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The original poster specifies that no external forces are acting on the gun, which may influence the assumptions made in the discussion. Additionally, there is an implied constraint regarding the lack of prior experience with similar physics problems.

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say there was a rifle that pivoted about the center of its butt..
if you knew the force from the bullet, the weight of the gun and its center of mass, the distance from the center of the barrel to the center of the butt, and the distance from the center of gravity and the center of the butt, how would you go about determining the maximum angle the gun raises after firing?

i'm a little stumped. i don't recall doing any problems like this back in school, so any help would be appreciated :-p

by the way, assume that no other forces acting upon the gun (no hand holding the forearm)
 
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You need to know the perpendicular distance from the line of the barrel to the point of rotation. If you know the velocity of the bullet, you can use conservation of angular momentum to get an initial angular velocity for the barrel. You need a reasonable model for the mass distribution of the barrel and stock to calculate the moment of intertia about the bivot point.
 
so how can i get the maximum angle from angular velocity?
 
jacobh said:
so how can i get the maximum angle from angular velocity?
You could use energy conservation for that. If you know the angular velocity imparted to the barrel from angular momentum conservation, the barrel will have rotational kinetic energy about the pivot point. As the CM of the barrel raises, its potential energy increases and the kinetic energy decreases. At the highest point, the kinetic energy is zero and the change in potential energy equals the initial kinetic energy. Calculate the angle from the geometry of the original and final lines of the barrel.
 

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