Calculating Cross Sections from Events + Luminosity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion of the number of events and luminosity into a cross section, exploring the relationships between these quantities in the context of particle physics. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and dimensional analysis related to cross sections and luminosity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the method to convert events and luminosity into a cross section, suggesting it should be trivial.
  • Another participant proposes that the relationship can be expressed as events = sigma * luminosity.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about needing additional parameters to derive a cross section limit for monojet signals, noting the dimensions of luminosity and cross section.
  • One participant clarifies that luminosity is a flux density with specific dimensions, leading to an event rate rather than a direct count of events, and introduces a formula relating event rate to luminosity and cross section.
  • Another participant mentions that the paper they read referred to integrated luminosity, indicating a potential confusion in terminology.
  • A later reply points out that "integrated luminosity" is often shortened to "luminosity" in informal contexts, but emphasizes the importance of using the correct term in formal publications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the relationship between events, luminosity, and cross sections, with some uncertainty about terminology and the need for additional parameters. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach or terminology.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of luminosity and integrated luminosity, as well as the implications of dimensional analysis in this context.

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Hello,

How can I convert the number of events + the luminosity in a cross section?

I think this must be trivial...

thanks..
 
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By dimensional analysis if you know the dimensions of each of the quantities involved.
 
ah..lol..I think it's just...events = sigma * luminosity...right?
 
Ok, how did you conclude that?
 
hm?...I wanted to get a cross section limit for monojet signals...and I always found only the luminosity and the events...and event has no dimension..luminosity is inverse barn and XS is barn..so..if I really only need those paramaters..then it's trivial...I thought maybe I also need sth else...
 
Usually luminosity is a flux density, with dimension L-2 T-1, instead of dimension L-2. Thus, what we get as a result proportional to luminosity is not # of events, but, instead, an event rate (# events per unit time) with a dimension T-2.

The proportionality constant must have a dimension L2. However, the proportionality constant should be proportional to the number of scatterers, which is dimensionless. The proportionality constant corresponding to ONE scatterer is a characteristic of the dynamics of the scattering event, and is customarily referred to as a cross-section.

What I tried to say could be summarized as:
<br /> \frac{d N_{\mathrm{reactons}}}{d t} = K \, \mathcal{L}<br />
where \mathcal{L} is the luminosity of the incident beam, and:
<br /> K = N_{\mathrm{scatters}} \, \sigma<br />
where N_{\mathrm{scatters}} is the total number of scatterers in the target, and \sigma is the total scattering cross-section for a single scattering event.
 
Thanks a lot...
but I think in the paper I have read they have used the integrated luminosity...because they have used exactly the dimension "inverse barn"...
 
"Integrated luminosity" is sometimes just called "luminosity" - wrong, but shorter, and fine for talks/meetings and so on, where it is clear what is meant. In papers and other publications, it should be called "integrated luminosity" everywhere.
 

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