Calculating Decay Constant Without Initial Value

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the decay constant for a radioactive sample when the initial value is not provided. Participants explore various approaches to derive the decay constant and related concepts, including the implications of half-life and activity measurements.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to find the decay constant when the initial activity is not given, noting that the activity decreases by a factor of 5 over a 2-hour interval.
  • Another participant suggests using an equation involving the initial value "A" to express the relationship when the activity reaches A/5.
  • A follow-up question is raised about how to isolate the decay constant λ without knowing A.
  • Participants discuss the conversion of initial activity given in mCi to the number of atoms, referencing the relationship between activity, decay constant, and the number of atoms.
  • There is a query about how to derive the initial decay rate from the half-life of a radioactive material, specifically Ga-67, and how to interpret the term "initial" in this context.
  • Another participant clarifies that seven half-lives means seven times the duration of one half-life, leading to a discussion about the remaining quantity of the substance after this period.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on how to approach the calculations, with some suggesting methods while others seek clarification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate the decay constant without an initial value and the interpretation of related terms.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the initial activity and the definitions of terms like "initial decay rate." The mathematical steps to derive certain values are not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in radioactive decay, decay constants, and related calculations in nuclear physics or chemistry.

Flavia
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Radioactive sample activity is said decreases by factor 5 during 2-h interval. How to find the decay constant? If the given initial value is not given? I don't know how to calculate.
 
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Welcome to PF!

Hi Flavia! Welcome to PF! :wink:

Call the initial value "A", and write out an equation to show when it reaches A/5 …

what do you get? :smile:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi Flavia! Welcome to PF! :wink:

Call the initial value "A", and write out an equation to show when it reaches A/5 …

what do you get? :smile:

It becomes A/5 = A exp -λ(2).. how can i get λ as the A is not given?
 
divide both sides by A ! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
divide both sides by A ! :smile:

tq!:smile:

Can i ask another question here? If it violate rules, I am sorry. If it given initial activity 10 mci, how to know the number of atom inside?
 
Flavia said:
If it given initial activity 10 mci, how to know the number of atom inside?

you mean mCi ?

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie
The curie (symbol Ci) is a non-SI unit of radioactivity, named after Marie and Pierre Curie. It is defined as
1 Ci = 3.7 × 1010 decays per second.​
Its continued use is discouraged.

Curies are occasionally used to express a quantity of radioactive material rather than a decay rate, such as when one refers to 1 Ci of cesium-137.

This may be interpreted as the number of atoms that would produce 1 Ci of radiation. The rules of radioactive decay may be used convert this to an actual number of atoms. They state that 1 Ci of radioactive atoms would follow the expression:
N (atoms) * λ (1/s) = 1 Ci = 3.7 × 1010 (Bq)​
and so,
N = 3.7 × 1010 / λ​
where λ is the decay constant in s-1.​
 
tiny-tim said:
you mean mCi ?

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie
The curie (symbol Ci) is a non-SI unit of radioactivity, named after Marie and Pierre Curie. It is defined as
1 Ci = 3.7 × 1010 decays per second.​
Its continued use is discouraged.

Curies are occasionally used to express a quantity of radioactive material rather than a decay rate, such as when one refers to 1 Ci of cesium-137.

This may be interpreted as the number of atoms that would produce 1 Ci of radiation. The rules of radioactive decay may be used convert this to an actual number of atoms. They state that 1 Ci of radioactive atoms would follow the expression:
N (atoms) * λ (1/s) = 1 Ci = 3.7 × 1010 (Bq)​
and so,
N = 3.7 × 1010 / λ​
where λ is the decay constant in s-1.​

Really helps. tq! another question

1)If given half life. how to get initial decay rate?

From half life, i can get the λ.
Ro = λNo. how to get No?

2)What is seven half life mean? Is it 7T1/2 = value?
 
Hi Flavia! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)
Flavia said:
2)What is seven half life mean? Is it 7T1/2 = value?

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)

yes, seven half-lives are seven times one half-life (7t1/2)

so the amount left will be 1/27
1)If given half life. how to get initial decay rate?

From half life, i can get the λ.
Ro = λNo. how to get No?

not really following you :confused:

the decay rate depends on the radioactive material, and how much of it there is at any time
 
Hi! i dint find the the X2 button just above the Reply box.

1)If given half life. how to get initial decay rate?
-the question is, the half life of Ga-67 is 78 hours. Calculate initial decay rate
 
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Hi Flavia! :smile:

If you click "QUOTE" or "NEW REPLY" or "Go Advanced", you get to a page with buttons above the Reply box, and symbols to the right. :wink:
Flavia said:
1)If given half life. how to get initial decay rate?
-the question is, the half life of Ga-67 is 78 hours. Calculate initial decay rate

What is the complete question? :confused:

(in other words: what is the meaning of "initial"?)
 

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