Calculating Distance for Woman & Dog Walking Home

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distances at which a woman and her dog meet while walking home, as well as determining the total path length traveled by the dog. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of the relationships between their speeds and distances over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the problem of a woman walking home with distance $d$ and speed $v$, while her dog runs back and forth at speed $\frac{3v}{2}$.
  • Another participant proposes to find the first meeting distance $d_1$ by setting up equations for the positions of the woman and the dog over time.
  • There is a clarification regarding the distinction between the initial distance $d$ and the meeting distance $d_1$.
  • Participants derive the time $t_1$ it takes for the woman and dog to meet for the first time, leading to the expression for $d_1$ as $\frac{3d}{5}$.
  • After their first meeting, the dog returns to the house and then runs back towards the woman, prompting further calculations for subsequent meeting points.
  • One participant suggests a formula for the distances at which they meet, proposing $d_n = \left(\frac{3}{5}\right)^n d$ for the $n$-th meeting distance.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and interpretations, particularly regarding the definitions of $d$ and $d_1$, and whether the derived formulas for meeting distances are accurate. No consensus is reached on the final correctness of the proposed formulas.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the speeds and distances, and the calculations depend on the correct interpretation of the meeting points and the time taken for each segment of the journey. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning that could affect the outcomes.

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Hey! :giggle:

A woman is walking home with distance $d$ and speed $v$.

The dog is happy and runs at speed $\frac{3v }{ 2}$ always between woman and house back and forth.

(i) At what distances $(d_n)_{n\geq 1}$ do women and dogs meet?

(ii) Determine the total path length of the dog with the help of $(d_n)_{n\geq 1}$.The time that woman needs is equal to $t=\frac{s}{v}$.

At the same time the distance that the dog makes is $s(d)=\frac{3v}{2}\cdot \frac{s}{v}=\frac{3s}{2}$, right?

But how can we get a formula for $(d_n)_{n\geq 1}$ ?

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Hey mathmari!

Let's start with $d_1$.
Let $x$ be the distance of the woman to her home and let $s$ be the distance of the dog to home.
Initially the woman is at $x_0=d$ and I assume the dog is at distance $s_0=0$.
Given the speeds we have $x=d-vt$ and $s=\frac 32v t$ until they meet at $x=s=d_1$ at $t=t_1$.
Can we find $t_1$ and $d_1$? 🤔
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Let's start with $d_1$.
Let $x$ be the distance of the woman to her home and let $s$ be the distance of the dog to home.
Initially the woman is at $x_0=d$ and I assume the dog is at distance $s_0=0$.
Given the speeds we have $x=d-vt$ and $s=\frac 32v t$ until they meet at $x=s=d_1$ at $t=t_1$.
Can we find $t_1$ and $d_1$? 🤔

We get that $$x=s \Rightarrow d_1-vt=\frac{3}{2}vt\Rightarrow d_1=\frac{5}{2}vt_1$$ and substituting this into $x=d-vt$ we get the time, right?
 
I think we're mixing up $d$ and $d_1$. :oops:
The first is the initial distance, while the second is the distance at which the woman meets her dog for the first time.
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
I think we're mixing up $d$ and $d_1$. :oops:
The first is the initial distance, while the second is the distance at which the woman meets her dog for the first time.

Having that $x=s$ we get $d-vt=\frac{3}{2}vt \Rightarrow \frac{5}{2}vt=d \Rightarrow t=\frac{2d}{5v}$, which is $t_1$, or not?

Then we get $d_1=x(t_1)=d-v\cdot \frac{2d}{5v}=d- \frac{2d}{5}=\frac{3d}{5}$.

Is that correct so far? :unsure:
 
After the dog and the woman met, the dog goes back to the house and then again to the direction of the woman.
So at time $t_1$ the position of the dog is $s_1=\frac{3d}{5}$. So we get $s=\frac{3d}{5}-\frac{3v}{2}t$. When $s=0$ the dog is at the house, so at $t=\frac{2d}{5v}$. Then the dog goes to the other direction, back to the woman so $s= \frac{3}{2}vt$ with $t>\frac{2d}{5v}$.
At time $t_1$ the position of the woman is also $x_1=\frac{3d}{5}$. So we get $x=\frac{3d}{5}-vt$, or not?
So to get the next time they meet we have to set $x=s=d_2$, or not? Then we get $$\frac{3d}{5}-vt=\frac{3}{2}vt \Rightarrow \frac{3d}{5}=\frac{5}{2}vt \Rightarrow t=\frac{6d}{25v}$$ Then $$d_2=x(t_2)=\frac{3d}{5}-v\cdot \frac{6d}{25v}=\frac{9d}{25}$$

So the dog and the woman meet at positions $d_n =\left (\frac{3}{5}\right )^nd$.

Is that correct so far? :unsure:
 
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