Calculating Electric Field of Insulating Spherical Shell

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field at the center of an insulating hemispherical shell with a uniform surface charge density. Participants are exploring the use of integration to approach the problem, as opposed to applying Gauss's law due to the lack of symmetry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss treating the hemispherical shell as composed of infinitesimally small rings of charge to facilitate integration. There are questions about how to properly define the area of these rings and incorporate the surface charge density into the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on defining the geometry of the problem and the components of the electric field. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly express the area of the rings and the relationship between charge density and the charge element dQ.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem requires careful consideration of the coordinate system and the orientation of the hemisphere, as this affects the symmetry and the resultant electric field components.

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Calculationg the electric field of an insulating sperical shell using integration?

Homework Statement



We are asked to calculate the electric field at the center of an insulating hemispherical shell with radius R and a uniform surface charge density using integration.



Homework Equations


Gauss's law
E*A = Qencl/epsilon

dE = k(dQ/r^2) where k=1/(4pi*epsilon)


The Attempt at a Solution



I assume we can't use gauss's law since it asks for integration so I tried treating it as a ring of charge using dE = k(dQ/r^2)

dQ = lamda * dS
dS = rd(theta)
dQ = lamda * r * d(theta)

dE = k((lamda * d(theta))/r)(cos(theta) i + sin (theta) j)

and integrating from there but i don't believe it can be treated as a ring of charge.

Any suggestions??
 
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nosmas said:

Homework Statement



We are asked to calculate the electric field at the center of an insulating hemispherical shell with radius R and a uniform surface charge density using integration.

Homework Equations


Gauss's law
E*A = Qencl/epsilon

dE = k(dQ/r^2) where k=1/(4pi*epsilon)

The Attempt at a Solution



I assume we can't use gauss's law since it asks for integration so I tried treating it as a ring of charge using dE = k(dQ/r^2)

dQ = lamda * dS
dS = rd(theta)
dQ = lamda * r * d(theta)

dE = k((lamda * d(theta))/r)(cos(theta) i + sin (theta) j)

and integrating from there but i don't believe it can be treated as a ring of charge.

Any suggestions??

Hello nosmas. Welcome to PF !

There's not enough symmetry yo use Gauss's Law.

You should start by defining θ.

Shouldn't you be using σ (sigma) for surface charge density ? ... or are you given The total charge, Q, so that σ = Q/(2πR2) ?

dS = r dθ can't be correct. dS has units of area, r dθ has units of length.

If the hemisphere sits on the xy-plane and is centered at the origin, then the x & y components of the E field cancel, leaving only the z-component.

I does make sense to break the hemisphere up into rings of charge.

Assuming θ is the angle of elevation above the xy-plane, then the width of such a ring is Rdθ. The radius of the ring is R cos(θ) . The area of such a ring is the width times the circumference.

That may get you started in the right direction.
 


I should be using σ for the surface charge density I am just not sure how to incorporate it.

So the E field on the hemisphere is equal to the sum of infinetly many rings of charge?

I understand that the width of the ring is Rdθ and the radius of the ring is R cos(θ)

so the area of the ring would be 2∏R(Rdθ) but I don't understand where to use the area?

Using the general equation dE = K*(dQ/r^2) how would i incorporate σ into dQ?

Thanks
 


nosmas said:
I should be using σ for the surface charge density I am just not sure how to incorporate it.

So the E field on the hemisphere is equal to the sum of infinitely many rings of charge?

I understand that the width of the ring is Rdθ and the radius of the ring is R cos(θ)

so the area of the ring would be 2∏R(cos(θ))(Rdθ) but I don't understand where to use the area?

Using the general equation dE = K*(dQ/r^2) how would i incorporate σ into dQ?

Thanks
You left cos(θ) out of your expression for the area of a ring. (I inserted it in the above quote.)

Charge = σ × area → dQ = σ dA = σ (2∏R)cos(θ)(Rdθ)

I don't know how you have the hemisphere oriented in your coordinate system, but ... As I said in my previous post: "If the hemisphere sits on the xy-plane and is centered at the origin, then the x & y components of the E field cancel, leaving only the z-component." In fact this is true for the electric field, dE, due to each ring. So, to find dE, use Coulomb's Law multiplied by sin(θ) .

Integrate the result to find E.
 

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