Calculating Electric Potential of a Proton in Hydrogen Atom

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential at a specific distance from a proton in a hydrogen atom, utilizing the equation V = kQ/r. Participants are exploring the origins and derivation of this equation, particularly in the context of electric fields and potential energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the derivation of the electric potential equation and seeking a non-calculus explanation. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between electric fields and potential, with some expressing confusion about transitioning from the field equation to the potential equation.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying the concepts and relationships between electric potential and electric fields. Some guidance has been provided regarding the connection between the equations, but there remains a lack of consensus on the intuitive understanding of these relationships.

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Participants have expressed a preference for algebraic derivations over calculus-based explanations, indicating a potential constraint in the level of mathematical rigor expected in the responses.

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Homework Statement


Find the electric potential a distance of .5 x 10^-10 m from the proton of a hydrogen atom


Homework Equations


V= kQ/r


The Attempt at a Solution


I know how to answer the question, because I know which equation to use. What I do not understand is, where the equation comes from ?
Could somebody bullet point the derivation of the equation (algebra, not calculus please )


Regards and Thanks!
 
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Hi FelixISF! :smile:
FelixISF said:
V= kQ/r

What I do not understand is, where the equation comes from ?
Could somebody bullet point the derivation of the equation (algebra, not calculus please )

It comes from the field (the force), which in this case is a Coulomb's law field.

The field has to be the gradient of the potential.

The field is -kQ/r2 in the r-direction, so the potential has to be kQ/r (plus a constant). :wink:

(That's calculus, of course … I don't understand what you mean by an algebra derivation :confused:)
 


I don't see how you go from -kQ/r^2 to kQ/r... Apart from the mathematical relation ship of the field being the gradient of the potential, I don't get the intuition behind it.
so field = -kQ/r^2 and potential = kQ/r
Now, there must be a relation between potential and field with which you can transform the field equation to the potential equation.. Do you understand what I am asking for?
 


Use the equation V=\int_{\infty}^{r}\vec{E}\cdot \vec{dl} where V is the electric potential. In the case of a point charge you can substitute \vec{dl}=dr and \vec{E}=E, so your integral becomes V=\int_{\infty}^r E \; dr.
 
In other words, potential energy is another name for work done (by a conservative force),

so electric potential difference = PE difference per charge = work done per charge = force times distance per charge = kQ/r2 times ∆r
 


thanks, that made it clear for me!
 

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