Calculating Electromotive Force in a Time-Dependent Magnetic Field

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Homework Help Overview

The original poster is working on a problem involving the calculation of electromotive force (emf) in a circular wire due to a magnetic dipole moving along the z-axis. The context involves time-dependent magnetic fields and requires understanding the relationship between the dipole's position, speed, and its dipolar moment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of calculating the magnetostatic field versus a dynamic field, with some suggesting that the field should be dynamic to produce emf. There is also a conversation about the integration of the magnetic field and the differentiation of magnetic flux with respect to time, particularly focusing on the application of the chain rule in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some have offered guidance on coordinate systems and differentiation techniques, while others are clarifying their understanding of the relationships between variables involved in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the original poster's preference for Cartesian coordinates over cylindrical ones, despite suggestions that cylindrical coordinates may simplify the problem. Additionally, the relationship between the radius of the wire and the position of the dipole is noted, which may influence the calculations.

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Homework Statement


I have a problem with the next situation. I have a magnetic dipole moving at constant speed on the z axis. On the plane z=0 I have a circular wire with a resistance R and radius a. I have to calculate the electromotive force on the wire as a function of the speed of the dipole, v, the position of the dipole ,z, and the dipolar moment m.

Homework Equations


ε=-dΦ/dt, where ε is the electromotive force and Φ is the magnetic flux.
B=(μ0/(4π))*(3r(r*m)/r5-m/r3)
Φ=∫Bds
ds
=( cosφ, sinφ, 0)
r = (a cos φ, a sinφ, z)

The Attempt at a Solution


Once I calculate a huge expression for the magnetostatic field, B, and I integrate to find the flux, my problem comes; I have to make a time derivate, and the only time dependent factor here is z; but Φ(r(z(t))) do I have to derivate (∂Φ/∂z)(dz/dt)=(∂Φ/∂z)v or do I have to do something else?
 
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Why are you trying to calculate the magnetostatic field? Shouldn't the field be dynamic? Otherwise there would be no emf.

I don't see a way around integrating spatially and then differentiating temporally, if that's what you're asking. Also, you're using cartesian coordinates? I think your life would be much easier if you worked in cylindrical. Just my opinion though.
 
Well I Integrate in cartesian because I feel more comfortable doing operating with them; what is more, when I make the scalar product BdS I have an scalar multipied by sin2+cos2, so the dependence with the angle dissapears. My main concern here is not about the coordinates, but how to determine the electromagnetic foerce, -d/dt(∫BdS)
 
One of the variables in B is a function of time.
 
yes, B(r(z(t))), there is whem my doubt comes, do I simply derivate ∂B/∂z and them muptiply by dz/dt=v?
 
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Does r(t) equal z(t) for all points on the surface?
 
No, r=Sqrt(z^2+a^2), where a is the radius of the wire
 
Ok, so do you know how to chainrule derivatives? You either have to chainrule twice or substitute, frankly.
 
That's it, I only wanted to know if I had to apply the chain rule twice.
Thanks.
 
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No problem
 
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I realize you already solved it but I strongly suggest that you look up a youtube video on cylindrical/spherical coordinates. It makes E&M so much easier and if you ignore the derivation there are only two very easy formulas to remember.

Just my two cents. It will be well worth a 30 min or-so investment of your time.
 

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