Calculating Electron Energy with Uncertainty Principle: Homework Example

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The discussion revolves around estimating the minimum energy of an electron confined to a spherical region of radius 0.1 nm using the uncertainty principle. Participants are exploring the implications of the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics and its application to the problem at hand.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the energy using the uncertainty principle but arrives at a value that seems inconsistent with expected results. Other participants question the assumptions made regarding the uncertainty in position and momentum, and some suggest that the interpretation of the uncertainty principle may need to be reconsidered.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the calculations and the interpretation of the uncertainty principle. There is a recognition of potential errors in the original approach, and some participants are considering alternative perspectives and clarifications without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the definitions of uncertainty in position and momentum, as well as the implications of using standard deviations in the context of the uncertainty principle. The original poster's calculations and the expected answer are also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement



Using the uncertainty principle, estimate the minimum energy in electron volts of an electron confined to a spherical region of radius 0.1nm.

Homework Equations



delta-x * delta-p = h-bar / lamda

delta-y * delta-p = h-bar / lamda

delta-z * delta-p = h-bar / lamda

Energy = 0.5* p^2 / m

p = momentum
m = mass of electron

The Attempt at a Solution



By letting the uncertainty in position (delta-x, delta-y, delta-z) equal to r, I got 2.86eV :

Total energy = 3/8 * (h-bar^2 / r^2 * m)

But the answer should be ~ 10ev.
 
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[STRIKE]If the electron is confined in a spherical region, the uncertainty in X is given by \Delta X = X_{2} - X_{1}

So taking the centre of the sphere as 0, you will have 0.1nm and -0.1nm as X_{2} and X_{1} respectively, \DeltaX will then be 0.2nm

Hope this helps ;)[/STRIKE]

Mulling it over a coffee. Brb.
 
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This will make matters worse by a factor of 4. Also on the right hand side of the uncertainty inequality there should be a 1/2, which would give an additional factor of 4 in the wrong direction. Are you sure the given answer is correct.
 
Sure, no. I'll consider over a coffee.
 
One can derive the general uncertainity principle by using the standard deviation method of statistics.
Here delta(x) and delta(p) are standard deviations.
(delta(x))^(2)=|<x^(2)>-<x>^(2)|
(delta(p))^(2)=|<p^(2)>-<p>^(2)|
 
Deric Boyle said:
One can derive the general uncertainity principle by using the standard deviation method of statistics.
Here delta(x) and delta(p) are standard deviations.
(delta(x))^(2)=|<x^(2)>-<x>^(2)|
(delta(p))^(2)=|<p^(2)>-<p>^(2)|

So how does this help solving the problem at hand?
 

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