Understanding Heisenberg's Principle: x and p instead of delta x and p

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, specifically the use of position (x) and momentum (p) without the delta notation, and the implications of using h bar versus h bar over 2 in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different versions of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and question the context in which x and p are used without deltas. There is also inquiry into the meaning of "1 quantum" and its relation to the Planck constant.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the distinction between uncertainty and total energy in the ground state, suggesting that the measured values of x and p should relate to the uncertainty principle. However, there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations being discussed.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the specific problem referenced and the definitions of terms like "1 quantum." There is an acknowledgment of varying interpretations of the uncertainty principle across different contexts.

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Homework Statement


I don't get how you can use x and p instead of delta x and p in Heisenberg's principle.
Also why is it just h bar? Isn't it supposed to be h bar/2?
Problem 2-iv

Homework Equations


delta x* delta p >= h bar/2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to deal with this problem but I couldn't find a way, when I looked at the solution it use the Heisenberg's principle without the deltas, I can't understand how this could be done
 

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There's quite a few versions of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. ##\Delta x \Delta p \geq h \ \text{or}\ \geq \hbar \ \text{or}\ \geq \frac{\hbar}{2} ## are the main 3 that I'm aware of, at least for position momentum uncertainty. The last reported (most accurate) that I remember was hbar over 2, but they may use a different version, depending on how old the documents are.

I also don't see where you're talking about. I just skimmed through the solutions, but everywhere that I noticed them speaking of uncertainty they either used ##\delta x \ \text{&}\ \delta p \ \text{or} \ \Delta x \ \text{&}\ \Delta p ##
Which problem are you referring to?

Edit** Somehow I missed 2.iv -.-

They're not talking about uncertainty. They're talking about the total energy of the ground state. The ground state should never be lower than 1 quantum.

So I believe that the measured values of x and p in the ground state should be of the order of the uncertainty principle. There may be more to the story, if so, someone else would have to jump in and inform us. I'm not a huge quantum guy.
 
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There's quite a few versions of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. ##\Delta x \Delta p \geq h \ \text{or}\ \geq \hbar \ \text{or}\ \geq \frac{\hbar}{2} ## are the main 3 that I'm aware of, at least for position momentum uncertainty. The last reported (most accurate) that I remember was hbar over 2, but they may use a different version, depending on how old the documents are.

I also don't see where you're talking about. I just skimmed through the solutions, but everywhere that I noticed them speaking of uncertainty they either used ##\delta x \ \text{&}\ \delta p \ \text{or} \ \Delta x \ \text{&}\ \Delta p ##
Which problem are you referring to?

Edit** Somehow I missed 2.iv -.-

They're not talking about uncertainty. They're talking about the total energy of the ground state. The ground state should never be lower than 1 quantum.

So I believe that the measured values of x and p in the ground state should be of the order of the uncertainty principle. There may be more to the story, if so, someone else would have to jump in and inform us. I'm not a huge quantum guy.

What's 1 quantum? is it the Planck constant?
 
Basically, yea. It's the increment that your energy scale progresses by.
 

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