Calculating enthalpies of gas mixtures

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The discussion focuses on calculating the temperature drop of a gas during a throttling process, specifically comparing ideal gas theory with real gas behavior in a mixture of nitrogen (N₂), oxygen (O₂), and water vapor (H₂O). Participants explore the implications of using partial pressures for enthalpy calculations in gas mixtures.

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  • One participant questions whether using partial pressures is the correct approach for calculating enthalpy in a gas mixture, especially when considering nearly ideal gases like N₂ and O₂.
  • Another participant confirms that using partial pressures is indeed the right approach for enthalpy calculations in real gas mixtures, emphasizing that it applies even to nearly ideal gases.
  • A different participant raises concerns about determining temperature changes for throttling operations, suggesting that understanding pure real gas behavior is essential before addressing mixtures.
  • There is a suggestion to consider whether the pressure is low enough to treat the gas mixture as an ideal gas and questions the significance of the pressure change in the context of the Joule-Thomson (JT) coefficient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of partial pressures for enthalpy calculations, but there are differing views on the implications of pressure conditions and the necessity of understanding pure real gas behavior for accurate calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the conditions under which the gas mixture can be treated as ideal and the specific requirements for calculating temperature changes during throttling.

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Hi all,
I'm calculating the temperature drop of a gas during a throttling process. When using ideal gas theory, of course throttling is an isothermal process. Now i want to consider a real gas.

My problem: I have a gas, for example containing N2, O2 and H2O in the gaseous phase at a certain temperature and pressure. When considering pure components at system temperature and pressure, N2 and O2 are gaseous and H2O is liquid. In reality, the H2O partial pressure is below the saturation pressure, so H2O is also gaseous. Now I'm using partial pressures for enthalpy calculation of the mixture.

My question: Is it the right approach? Do I always have to use partial pressures, even when considering nearly ideal gases like N2 and O2, because they do show very small deviations from ideal gas law?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hi @ahog
Yes, using partial pressures is the right approach—even for nearly ideal gases like N₂ and O₂—because enthalpy in real gas mixtures depends on each component’s partial pressure, not just the overall conditions.

For a deeper explanation and supporting data, this paper may help:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/je00103a025
 
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Do you know how to determine the temperature change for a throttling operation on a pure real gas? If you can't do that, then you certainly won't be able to do it for a gas mixture. Is the pressure low enough to consider the gas mixture an ideal gas? Are you just trying to determine the JT coefficient, or is the pressure change substantial?
 
faizanrauf612 said:
Hi @ahog
Yes, using partial pressures is the right approach—even for nearly ideal gases like N₂ and O₂—because enthalpy in real gas mixtures depends on each component’s partial pressure, not just the overall conditions.

For a deeper explanation and supporting data, this paper may help:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/je00103a025
Thanks for your reply, the paper is very infomative.
 

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