Calculating Equations: Double Checking My Work | Calculus Word Problem Solution

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The discussion revolves around a calculus word problem involving the calculation of equations. The original poster seeks confirmation of their work and attempts to clarify their reasoning regarding the differentiation and manipulation of equations related to a specific problem.

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  • Participants discuss the correctness of the original poster's equations and differentiation steps. They question the manipulation of fractions and the application of differentiation rules. The original poster also seeks clarification on isolating variables and the implications of their calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing corrections and alternative approaches. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the mathematical processes involved, with some participants confirming that the original poster's final value for x aligns with the expected outcome, although the path to that conclusion remains under scrutiny.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of terms and the differentiation process. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and seeks to understand where they may have gone wrong, while others provide insights into maintaining accuracy in mathematical notation and operations.

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Okay, the following is just me trying to confirm if I did the problem correctly. It seems like I made a mistake somewhere, but the answer does sort of fit. So I suppose I'm just look for a check to see if I did this correctly. The equations I got from the world problem are top right, I then move into the problem on the left side and finish on the right. :D

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At one point you have
[tex]P= 2x+ 3\left(\frac{1200}{x}[/tex]
which is correct. The next line is
[tex]= 2x+ \frac{3600}{3x}[/itex][/tex]
[tex] which is wrong: to multiply a fraction by 3, you multiply the numerator, not both numerator and denominator!<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> = 2x+ 3600*3x<sup>-1</sup> </div> </div> </blockquote> Again wrong: you divide by the 3. But since that 3 is wrong to begin with, you've just made it worse. What you should have is P= 2x+ 3600 x<sup>-1</sup>.<br /> <br /> Next you have <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> = x+ 5400x<sup>-1</sup> </div> </div> </blockquote>that "5400" is your 10800 divided by 2. Apparently you have divided through by 2. But you have to divide both sides of the equation by 2. This would be P/2, not P. Anyway, it's best to leave it as P= 2x+ 3600x<sup>-1</sup> and differentiate that.<br /> Next, you have<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> [tex]= x+ \frac{1}{5400}[/tex] </div> </div> </blockquote>No, the "-1" exponent applies only to x, not the "5400". There is, in any case, no point in moving the 1/x up to x<sup>-1</sup> only to put it back in the denominator. Go ahead and differentiate P= 2x+ 3600x<sup>-1</sup>.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately, having got the incorrect fraction, you add the fractions to get<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> [tex]P= \frac{5400x^2+1}{5400x}[/tex] </div> </div> </blockquote>which is incorrect. I only mention it because you then have<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> [tex]P'= \frac{10800x}{5400}[/tex] </div> </div> </blockquote> No, no, no! The derivative of [itex]\frac{f}{g}[/itex] is NOT [itex]\frac{f'}{g'}[/itex]!<br /> As if that weren't bad enough, from<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> [tex]\frac{10800x}{5400}= 0[/tex] </div> </div> </blockquote>you go to <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 10800x= 5400 </div> </div> </blockquote>and solve that to get x= 1/2. No! 5400*0= 0 not 5400!<br /> <br /> Better is to take P= 2x+ 3600x<sup>-1</sup> and differentiate it directly. <br /> P'= 2- 3600x<sup>-2</sup>= 0. Then x<sup>2</sup>= 1800. Solve that for x.[/tex]
 
Thanks for the reply HallsofIvy, I just wanted to check in on something. All of your corrections make sense, and clearly my brain isn't functioning today because those are all mostly things I should have caught myself doing.

But here's what happens when I try to go forward with P' = 2 - 3600x^-2

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So from there sub 0 for the P'. At which poin I can move the -3600x^-2 over to the left which gives me 3600x^-2 = 2

To isolate x do I not divide by 3600 both sides and then take the -2root of the right side? Perhaps, I'm just looking at everything wrong, I'm not sure what it is that's throwing me off.

I know If I go with your equation above:
x^2= 1800
then x = 42.4 but I'm hoping to find out what I'm doing wrong that I can't even get to that point.
 
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You are at that point! When you work out your value for x it will be 42.4! But, to do it the way that HoI did (and to keep things as fractions, which is always more a more exact way of calculating things) you have the line

[tex]x^{-2}=\frac{2}{3600}[/tex]

Note that [tex]\frac{2}{3600}=\frac{1}{1800}[/tex]. Now, take the reciprocal of both sides, and you will obtain x2=1800.

A quick comment about your notation in the penultimate line: The right hand side would generally be written as [itex](5.56 \times 10^{-4})^{-1/2}[/itex]
 
Just seconding what cristo said: you have 3600x-2- 2= 0 so
3600x-2= 2 or x-2= 2/3600= 1/1800. That means that x2= 1800= (2)9(100). [itex]x= \pmsqrt{2}(3)(10)= \pm30\sqrt{2}[/itex]. That's approximately 42.4. (Since x is a distance, it must be positive.)
 

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