Calculating Final Temperature and Ice Remaining in a Thermodynamics Problem

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the calculation of the final temperature and the amount of ice remaining after adding an ice cube to a jug of water. Participants explore the implications of using different units of measurement (calories vs. joules) and the calculations involved in determining heat transfer and phase changes.

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  • One participant presents a calculation attempting to find the final temperature, but expresses uncertainty about the result being outside the expected range.
  • Another participant suggests using calories for the calculations, providing a step-by-step approach to determine the heat available in the water and the amount of ice that can be melted.
  • A third participant acknowledges the previous response with gratitude, indicating some level of agreement with the proposed method.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about using calories instead of joules, indicating a lack of familiarity with that approach.
  • Another participant notes that the difference between using calories and joules is minor, suggesting that both methods yield the same end result.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the preferred unit of measurement for the calculations, with some favoring calories and others unsure about this approach. The initial calculation presented remains unresolved, as the participant questions their own result.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the heat transfer calculations and the conditions under which the final temperature is determined. The discussion does not clarify the implications of using different units on the final results.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in thermodynamics, particularly in understanding heat transfer, phase changes, and the implications of using different measurement units in calculations.

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You take a jug of water from the refrigerator, and pour 240mL of it into a glass. The temperature of the beverage is 10.5ºC. You then add one 45g ice cube at 0ºC.

Determine the final temperature and the amount of ice remaining if any.

I've tried to work it out below, but my I must've made an error because the temperature has to be between 0 and 10.5. Where have I gone wrong?

4.184*240(x-10.5) = -[45*333+4.184*45(x-0)]
1004.16x - 10543.68 = -[29970+376.56x]
1004.16x - 10543.68 = -29970-376.56x
1,380.72x - 10543.68 = -29970
1,380.72x = -19,426.32
x = -19,426.32/1,380.72
x = -14.06970276

thanks
 
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It is most convenient to work in calories rather than converting to joules.

1. First find the amount of heat available in the water.
240g * 10.5 C = 2520 cal

2. find the amoutn of ice this will melt.
Heat of fusion is 80 cal/g.
Amount of melt = 2520 cal / (80 cal/g) = 31.5 g

3. Find remaining ice
45g - 31.5g = 13.5g

4. Since we've pulled water temp to 0C, and there's ice remaining at 0C, final temp=0C
 
thanks marcusl :)
 
marcusl said:
It is most convenient to work in calories rather than converting to joules.

I'm not all that sure about that. I haven't done a problem in calories before.
 
It's a small difference, doesn't really matter either way. 4.18 Joules of heat energy raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 degree C. By definition, one calorie of heat energy raises the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 degree C. The calorie unit is a little simpler or more direct in this problem. End result is the same :smile:
 

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