Calculating Force (magnitude and direction) on a proton

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The discussion centers on calculating the force on a proton due to an electron and an alpha particle, with a focus on determining the correct angle of this force. A participant consistently calculates the angle as 82 degrees, while the expected answer is 68 degrees below the x-axis. They have computed the forces between the proton and the other charges, yielding values of 2.1e-8 N and 3.5e-8 N, and derived their x and y components. Another participant suggests reviewing the calculations of the x and y components, hinting at a possible mix-up in their values. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately interpreting the diagram and vector addition in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement


Diagram shows the separations of a proton, electron, and α particle (charge +2e). What is the force (magnitude and direction) on the proton?


Homework Equations


Addition of vectors, Coulomb's law


The Attempt at a Solution



I keep getting 82 degrees but the answer is 68 degrees below the x axis
 

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Obama said:

Homework Statement


Diagram shows the separations of a proton, electron, and α particle (charge +2e). What is the force (magnitude and direction) on the proton?


Homework Equations


Addition of vectors, Coulomb's law


The Attempt at a Solution



I keep getting 82 degrees but the answer is 68 degrees below the x axis

It would help if you labelled each of the particles on the diagram, but I suppose we can work out what each of them must be from your desired result :smile:

If you show your work, perhaps we can see where the its going wrong.
 
Sorry about that! Was basing it off memory lol.

okay so i found the force between the charge of positive 2 and the proton to be 2.1e-8 N, and i found the other force to be 3.5e-8 N. then i found the x and y components of the forces, and that was 3.4e-8 and 7e-9, respectively. i then added this to the x component of the first force (since there was so y) and found the angle that they create to be 82 degrees, which is incorrect
 
Obama said:
Sorry about that! Was basing it off memory lol.

okay so i found the force between the charge of positive 2 and the proton to be 2.1e-8 N, and i found the other force to be 3.5e-8 N. then i found the x and y components of the forces, and that was 3.4e-8 and 7e-9, respectively. i then added this to the x component of the first force (since there was so y) and found the angle that they create to be 82 degrees, which is incorrect

How did you calculate the x and y components of the second force? It looks like you've interchanged them. Take a look at your diagram; you should be able to estimate the relative sizes of the x and y components of a given force.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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