Calculating Forces & Heights in a Hydraulic Lift

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The discussion revolves around a hydraulic lift problem involving the calculation of forces and heights based on the radii of pistons and the weight of a car. Participants are exploring the relationships between force, distance, and mechanical advantage in this context.

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  • Participants attempt to calculate the force required on the small piston and the distance the car is lifted based on the given dimensions. There are questions about unit consistency and the correct interpretation of ratios.

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Some participants have provided calculations and expressed uncertainty about their correctness. There is ongoing exploration of the ratios of forces and mechanical advantage, with various interpretations being discussed. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the forces and distances involved.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the initial values and calculations, with some participants noting errors in their problem setup. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify these aspects without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



In a hydraulic lift the radii of the pistons are 1.75cm and 10.5cm. A car weighing 18.5kN is to be lifted by the force of the large piston.

a.) what force must be applied to the small piston?

b.) when the small piston is pushed 1.00cm, how far is the car lifted?

c.) find the mechanical advantage of the lift (this is the ratio of the large force to the small force)

The Attempt at a Solution



a.) F= (r/R)^2 (F)
= (1.75 cm/10.5 cm)^2 (18.5 kN)
= .514 or 514 N

b.) Win(f)= Wout(F)= fh=FH=H= (f/F)h= (pi)r^2/(piR^2=(r/R)^2
= (1m/R)^2 = (100cm/10.5cm)^2
= 90.7cm

c.) MA= F/f= 18.5kN/1.75cm
= 10.57I have no clue if I am doing this right.. can anyone help?
 
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Mowgli said:
a.) F= (r/R)^2 (F)
= (1.25 cm/15.0 cm)^2 (14.5 kN)
= .1007 or .101 N
Good, but careful with units. (Those are kN, not N.)

b.) Win(f)= Wout(F)= fh=FH=H= (f/F)h= (pi)r^2/(piR^2=(r/R)^2
= (1m/R)^2 = (100cm/10.5cm)^2
= 90.7cm
FH = fh is correct. What's the ratio of the forces?

c.) MA= F/f= 18.5kN/1.75cm
= 10.57
What's the ratio of the forces?
 
I'm not sure how to find that?
 
Mowgli said:
I'm not sure how to find that?
Use what you found in part a.
 
is it 1/10?
 
Mowgli said:
is it 1/10?
Nope. You were given one force and for part a you found the other force. What's their ratio?
 
14.5/101
 
I just realized my problem had the wrong numbers- so I edited the problem...

For part b.) is my ratio now 18.5/514?
 
Mowgli said:
For part b.) is my ratio now 18.5/514?
(18.5/514)^2 ??

and then I think c.) is MA=F/f = 18.5/.514
= 35.9

Can anyone help?
 
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Trying to figure this out:

b.) (r/R)^2
so, therefore it should be (1.75/10.5)^2
which = .0278

c.) MA= F/f = 18.5/.514 = 35.9

?
 
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Mowgli said:
Trying to figure this out:

b.) (r/R)^2
so, therefore it should be (1.75/10.5)^2
which = .0278

c.) MA= F/f = 18.5/.514 = 35.9

?
That's fine. The ratio of forces is given by (R/r)^2 = (10.5/1.75)^2 = 6^2 = 36.

So for b, the large piston will raise by 1/36 of the distance the small piston is lowered.

And for c, the mechanical advantage is just that ratio of forces.
 

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