Calculating Forces on Boxcars in a Train: Newtons and Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the forces acting on boxcars in a train system, specifically focusing on the interactions between the locomotive and the boxcars, as well as the forces exerted by the tracks. The subject area includes concepts from Newton's laws of motion and dynamics.

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  • Participants explore the forces between the boxcars and the locomotive, questioning whether the forces are equal due to differing masses. They also discuss the application of Newton's third law and the need for clear labeling of forces in their calculations.

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There is an ongoing examination of the calculations presented, with some participants suggesting the need for diagrams and force labeling to clarify the relationships between the forces. While some formulas have been presented, there is no explicit consensus on their correctness, and further clarification is sought.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the boxcar wheels roll without friction and that aerodynamics can be ignored. There is also a mention of the need to differentiate between net forces and the forces acting between the cars.

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A train consists of a 4300kg locomotive pulling two loaded boxcars. The first boxcar has a mass of 12,700kg and the second 16,300kg. Presume that the boxcar wheels roll without friction and ignore aerodynamics. The acceleration of the train is 0.578m/s^2
a)With what force, in Newtons, do the boxcars pull on each other?

I am confused here. Do they pull on each other with the same force? They can't since they don't weigh the same, correct?

0.578=T/12700 T=7340.6

0.578=T/16300 T=9421.4


b) With what force do the locomotive and first boxcar pull on each other?

I can use the same steps from a) for this one

c)With what force must the tracks push on the locomotive?

would the force be equal to the weight?
 
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waldvocm said:
Do they pull on each other with the same force? They can't since they don't weigh the same, correct?
What does Newton's 3rd law tell you?

0.578=T/12700 T=7340.6

0.578=T/16300 T=9421.4
Don't confuse the net force on a car with the force between the cars.

First things first. Draw diagrams of each car, showing the forces acting on it. Then apply Newton's laws as needed.
 
a) boxcars pull on each other
F=16300(0.578)=9421.4

b)The locomotive pull on the first boxcar
F=12700+16300(0.578)=16762

c)The tracks push on the locomotive
F=4300(9.80)=42140

Are these formulas correct?
 
waldvocm said:
a) boxcars pull on each other
F=16300(0.578)=9421.4

b)The locomotive pull on the first boxcar
F=12700+16300(0.578)=16762

c)The tracks push on the locomotive
F=4300(9.80)=42140

Are these formulas correct?
The first answer is correct, but the others are not. I suggest that you label the forces--for example, F1-2, FL-1, and Ft-L--then write force equations for each car.
 

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