Calculating Free Fall Distance from Time Interval Using Kinematic Equations

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The problem involves calculating the height from which a body falls, given that it covers 64% of the total distance in the last second of free fall. The subject area pertains to kinematics and free fall motion under gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations to relate total distance fallen and time of fall. There is an exploration of setting up equations for two time instances: the total fall time and one second before that. Some participants question the application of the equations and the assumptions made regarding the time intervals.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to derive equations based on the problem statement, with some participants providing feedback on the mathematical steps taken. There is a recognition of the physical constraints regarding the time interval being less than one second, and participants express varying levels of confidence in the complexity of the approach taken.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of kinematic equations and the interpretation of the distance covered in the last second. Participants are navigating through the implications of their calculations and assumptions regarding the fall time.

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Another free fall topic :)

Here I don't really know where to start

Homework Statement


A body in free fall covers 64% of the total distance fallen in the last second. From what height did it fall?


Homework Equations



y= y1 + y2, where y1=0,36y and y2=0,64y
y=.5at², where a=g=9.8 m/s²

and this is where I get stuck. In a tv-diagram it would be a straight line from origo, and the area under the line gives the distance fallen. And I'm still stuck. Utilizing the y=.5gt² would give me a parabola, and the area under the curve would give me the velocity with which it hits the ground, but I'm not sure whether that would help me much either.


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Suppose that the total distance fallen is h, and that tf is the total falling time.
Then you can fill in your formula for two time instances, namely tf and (tf - 1), for example:
h = (1/2) * 9.81 * tf
(where * stands for multiplication) and another one for t = tf - 1.

This will give you two formulas with two unknowns (h and tf) which you should be able to solve for.
 


CompuChip said:
Suppose that the total distance fallen is h, and that tf is the total falling time.
Then you can fill in your formula for two time instances, namely tf and (tf - 1), for example:
h = (1/2) * 9.81 * tf
(where * stands for multiplication) and another one for t = tf - 1.

This will give you two formulas with two unknowns (h and tf) which you should be able to solve for.

Ok, so

(1) h=1/2gtf² and
(2) 0,36h=1/2g(tf -1)² => h=13,61tf² - 27,25tf + 13,61 substitution into (1) which gives
8,71tf² -27,25tf + 13,61 => tf = 2,50s or 0,624s (can be ruled out since it doesn't make any sense)

tf = 2,50s gives h=1/2g*2,50²=30,625m. I wonder if I made this one too complicated...
 


Looks all right to me, except that I cannot clearly make out if you actually used (tf - 1)² = tf² - 2 tf + 1
rather than
(tf - 1)² = tf² - 1

Indeed the time interval < 1 second can be ruled out on physical grounds here.

I don't know if this is too complicated, it is the way that I would have done it though.
 


CompuChip said:
Looks all right to me, except that I cannot clearly make out if you actually used (tf - 1)² = tf² - 2 tf + 1
rather than
(tf - 1)² = tf² - 1

Indeed the time interval < 1 second can be ruled out on physical grounds here.

I don't know if this is too complicated, it is the way that I would have done it though.

I used (tf - 1)² = tf² - 2 tf + 1, which should be the correct way.

Thanks for the help
-alex
 

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