Calculating G using Kepler's Third Law: The Relationship Between k, a, and P

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The discussion focuses on calculating the gravitational constant G using Kepler's Third Law, specifically in the context of astronomical units (AU), solar masses (Msun), and years as units of measurement. The value of k is established as 1, leading to the equation G = 4π² (years)-2 (AU)3 (solar masses)-1. Participants confirm that while the calculated G differs from the universal gravitational constant (6.6730×10-11 m3/kg/s2), it is consistent within the specified unit system. The conversion to SI units is only necessary for verification purposes.

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Homework Statement



Using astronomical units as the unit of length , years as the time , and the mass of the Sun as the unit of mass , the value for k in kepler's third law is 1. In these units , what is the value of Newton's constant of gravitation G?


Homework Equations


P^2 =k*a^3
P^2= 4*pi^2*a^3/(G(m(1)+m(2))
Possibly k=4*pi^2/G*M(sun)
P is the period

The Attempt at a Solution




since k = 1 and k =4*pi^2/G*M(sun), all I have to do is switch variables. k=4*pi^2/(G*M(sun)) => 4*pi^2/(M(sun))=G , but I found that method to be a problem because the G I calculated isn't equal the universal Gravitational constant we are all familar with.
 
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So taking the mass of the sun as 1 solar mass... your answer should be G = 4{\pi}^2 (years)^{-2}(AU)^3(solar masses)^{-1}

To check that this is the same G you need to convert units...
 
The universal gravitational constant has units. The value with which you are familiar, 6.6730\times10^{-11} is in units of m^3/kg/s^2. The value differs when you change the system of units. For example, G is 7.616\times10^{-5} in the ever-popular furlongs-fortnights-stones system. You are asked to specify G in the AU-Msun-year system. The answer is not 6.6730\times10^{-11}.
 
D H said:
The universal gravitational constant has units. The value with which you are familiar, 6.6730\times10^{-11} is in units of m^3/kg/s^2. The value differs when you change the system of units. For example, G is 7.616\times10^{-5} in the ever-popular furlongs-fortnights-stones system. You are asked to specify G in the AU-Msun-year system. The answer is not 6.6730\times10^{-11}.

Are my equations correct? I just need to convert my units to SI units?
 
Benzoate said:
Are my equations correct? I just need to convert my units to SI units?

Yes, I think the equations are right. just convert the units.
 
Your instructor did not ask for the value of G in SI (MKS) units. He asked for it in AU-solar mass-year units. Learning physics gave you the answer in these units post #2.

You only need to convert to SI if you want to verify that your answer is correct. If you do the conversion right, you will get 6.672\times10^{-11}\text{m}^3/\text{sec}^2/\text{kg}[/tex], which compares very favorably with the published value of 6.673\times10^{-11}\text{m}^3/\text{sec}^2/\text{kg}[/tex].
 

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