Calculating G using Kepler's Third Law: The Relationship Between k, a, and P

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gravitational constant G using Kepler's Third Law, specifically in the context of using astronomical units, years, and the mass of the Sun as units. The original poster seeks to understand the relationship between the constant k in Kepler's law and G, noting discrepancies in their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between k and G, with some suggesting that k equals 4π²/(G*M(sun)). Questions arise regarding the correctness of the equations and the necessity of unit conversions.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the equations presented by the original poster, while others emphasize the importance of specifying G in the correct unit system. There is an ongoing exploration of unit conversions and their implications for the value of G.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the specific unit system of AU-solar mass-year, with participants noting that the instructor's request does not pertain to SI units. The discussion highlights the differences in the value of G across various unit systems.

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Homework Statement



Using astronomical units as the unit of length , years as the time , and the mass of the Sun as the unit of mass , the value for k in kepler's third law is 1. In these units , what is the value of Newton's constant of gravitation G?


Homework Equations


P^2 =k*a^3
P^2= 4*pi^2*a^3/(G(m(1)+m(2))
Possibly k=4*pi^2/G*M(sun)
P is the period

The Attempt at a Solution




since k = 1 and k =4*pi^2/G*M(sun), all I have to do is switch variables. k=4*pi^2/(G*M(sun)) => 4*pi^2/(M(sun))=G , but I found that method to be a problem because the G I calculated isn't equal the universal Gravitational constant we are all familar with.
 
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So taking the mass of the sun as 1 solar mass... your answer should be G = 4{\pi}^2 (years)^{-2}(AU)^3(solar masses)^{-1}

To check that this is the same G you need to convert units...
 
The universal gravitational constant has units. The value with which you are familiar, 6.6730\times10^{-11} is in units of m^3/kg/s^2. The value differs when you change the system of units. For example, G is 7.616\times10^{-5} in the ever-popular furlongs-fortnights-stones system. You are asked to specify G in the AU-Msun-year system. The answer is not 6.6730\times10^{-11}.
 
D H said:
The universal gravitational constant has units. The value with which you are familiar, 6.6730\times10^{-11} is in units of m^3/kg/s^2. The value differs when you change the system of units. For example, G is 7.616\times10^{-5} in the ever-popular furlongs-fortnights-stones system. You are asked to specify G in the AU-Msun-year system. The answer is not 6.6730\times10^{-11}.

Are my equations correct? I just need to convert my units to SI units?
 
Benzoate said:
Are my equations correct? I just need to convert my units to SI units?

Yes, I think the equations are right. just convert the units.
 
Your instructor did not ask for the value of G in SI (MKS) units. He asked for it in AU-solar mass-year units. Learning physics gave you the answer in these units post #2.

You only need to convert to SI if you want to verify that your answer is correct. If you do the conversion right, you will get 6.672\times10^{-11}\text{m}^3/\text{sec}^2/\text{kg}[/tex], which compares very favorably with the published value of 6.673\times10^{-11}\text{m}^3/\text{sec}^2/\text{kg}[/tex].
 

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