Calculating half power frequency/cutoff frequency

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The discussion revolves around calculating the half power frequency and cutoff frequency in circuits, specifically analyzing two different problems involving voltage ratios in relation to frequency. The participants are examining the differences in the approaches taken for each problem and the implications of those differences on the calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the rationale behind using different voltage ratios for the two problems, specifically why one uses ##\cfrac{1}{2\sqrt{2}}## while the other uses ##\cfrac{1}{2}##. There is also discussion about the relationship between voltage and power in circuits, particularly how impedance affects these ratios.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the behavior of capacitors with frequency and the implications for the voltage ratios used in the calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to determining the maximum output and how it relates to the frequency.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is an emphasis on understanding the underlying principles rather than arriving at a definitive solution.

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Homework Statement



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For first problem:

##\cfrac{|V_2|}{|V_1|} = \cfrac{1}{\sqrt{4+(\omega RC)^2}}##

For second problem:

##\cfrac{|V_2|}{|V_1|} = \cfrac{\sqrt{1+(\omega RC)^2}}{\sqrt{4 + (\omega RC)^2}}##

I have to calculate half power frequency for both cases.

Homework Equations



At half power frequency, power absorbed by circuit = max power/2

The Attempt at a Solution


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I cannot understand why the problem was solved differently in both cases. In first problem,##\cfrac{V_2}{V_1}## was set to ##\cfrac{1}{2\sqrt{2}}## and in the second problem it was set to ##\cfrac{1}{2}##. While in both problems, max value of ##\cfrac{V_2}{V_1}## occurs at ##\omega = 0## and is equal to ##\cfrac{1}{2}##.

Can someone please clear this doubt?

Thanks
 

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Power = Voltage * Current
 
Svein said:
Power = Voltage * Current
Thanks for the reply. But, I didn't get you. I am familiar with that formula. I understand that we use that formula to substitute ##\cfrac{|V_2|}{|V_1|} = \cfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}## but how does it explain the ##\cfrac{1}{2\sqrt{2}}## part ?

Thanks again.
 
When the impedance is reduced, the current increases. Thus the power ratio is not equal to the voltage ratio.
 
When the impedance is reduced, the current increases. Thus the power ratio is not equal to the voltage ratio.
 
vishwesh said:
I cannot understand why the problem was solved differently in both cases. In first problem,##\cfrac{V_2}{V_1}## was set to ##\cfrac{1}{2\sqrt{2}}## and in the second problem it was set to ##\cfrac{1}{2}##. While in both problems, max value of ##\cfrac{V_2}{V_1}## occurs at ##\omega = 0## and is equal to ##\cfrac{1}{2}##.

Can someone please clear this doubt?

Thanks
Check again the frequency and maximum output for the second circuit. How do capacitors behave with frequency?

For the second solution shown, I think the magnitude of the voltage ratio should have been set to ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}## rather than ##\frac{1}{2}##
 
gneill said:
Check again the frequency and maximum output for the second circuit. How do capacitors behave with frequency?

For the second solution shown, I think the magnitude of the voltage ratio should have been set to ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}## rather than ##\frac{1}{2}##

Thanks for the reply. I think I got it. The max output should be 1 when ##\omega \rightarrow \infty##?
 
vishwesh said:
Thanks for the reply. I think I got it. The max output should be 1 when ##\omega \rightarrow \infty##?
Yup. The capacitor starts to look like a short at high frequencies.
 

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