Calculating Heat Transfer Rate from a Smoky Layer to a Compartment Floor"

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the heat transfer rate from a smoky layer to a compartment floor, with specific dimensions and temperatures provided. The subject area pertains to thermal radiation and heat transfer principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial setup of the problem, including identifying the hot and cold surfaces and their respective temperatures. There are attempts to clarify the necessary temperature scales for radiation calculations and the use of non-dimensionalized quantities. Some participants express uncertainty about the calculations and seek guidance on how to proceed.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing hints and suggestions for moving forward. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations involved, and while some participants express confusion, others are attempting to clarify the steps needed to arrive at a solution.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the conversion of temperature units and the appropriate use of radians versus degrees in calculations. The original poster's lack of initial direction is noted, and there is a focus on ensuring that all relevant parameters are considered in the heat transfer equation.

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Homework Statement



The underside of a smoky layer 7m x 10m is radiating like a flat, isotropic plate at 440°C to the floor of a compartment 1.85m below. The mean emissivity is 0.45 and the floor is homogenous/flat plate at 40°C. What is the rate of heat transfer from the smoky layer to the floor?

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The Attempt at a Solution



Really don't know where to start from.
 
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Why don't you start by plugging in the known information from the problem statement into the formulas you were given. At least that will show you have tried to solve the problem rather than immediately giving up.
 
OK, I have no idea how to even start it? Any help from where to begin?
 
In the diagram attached to the OP, which would be the ceiling and which would be the floor? What are the temperatures of the two? (Hint: TH - hot temperature and TC - cold temperature)
 
A_1 is the ceiling, A_2 is the floor. A_1 has TH of 440 degrees, and A_2 has TC of 40 degrees?
 
Yes, that's correct. What kind of temperatures do you have to use with radiation problems?
 
I have calculated following X = 3.78 and Y = 5.40

Having this now I have tried to calculate F_1,2! I get following result 2/3671.16^degrees ( 1.16 + 1135.0^degrees).

From here I don't know how to compute integeres and degrees? Should I convert this all to pi value, ie 1135.0^degrees is 6.03PI?
 
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SteamKing said:
Yes, that's correct. What kind of temperatures do you have to use with radiation problems?

I don't understand Q.?
 
Eva Brain said:
I don't understand Q.?

What temperature scale must you use for radiation problems?
 
  • #10
Eva Brain said:
I have calculated following X = 3.78 and Y = 5.40

Having this now I have tried to calculate F_1,2! I get following result 2/3671.16^degrees ( 1.16 + 1135.0^degrees).

From here I don't know how to compute integeres and degrees? Should I convert this all to pi value, ie 1135.0^degrees is 6.03PI?

It's not clear what you've done here. Hint: not all arguments for trig functions have to be expressed in degrees. Here, radians is appropriate. The quantities X and Y are already non-dimensionalized.

Be sure you set your calculator to 'Radian' mode before doing your calculations. F12 is, I suspect, a factor related to the geometry of the compartment, and probably doesn't have units.
 
  • #11
I have got 0.64. From here where to go now?
 
  • #12
Eva Brain said:
I have got 0.64. From here where to go now?

For what? It would be better to show your calculations.
 
  • #13
SteamKing said:
For what? It would be better to show your calculations.

F_1,2 I have inserted everything into given formula and got the result.
 
  • #14
Now, you substitute F12 into the equation for the heat transfer rate Q.
 
  • #15
steamking said:
now, you substitute f12 into the equation for the heat transfer rate q.

Ok. One thing concerns me here and that is thinking about whether or not A is here included as radiation constant?
 
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  • #16
Yes, A is the area of the layer which is radiating the heat. Its dimensions are given in the problem statement.
 
  • #17
SteamKing said:
Yes, A is the area of the layer which is radiating the heat. Its dimensions are given in the problem statement.

Thank you I have solved it!
 

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