Calculating Horizontal Force for Displaced Chandelier

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The problem involves calculating the horizontal force required to displace a chandelier that hangs from a wire. The chandelier has a mass of 30 kg and is displaced 0.10 m from its vertical position. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically forces and equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss drawing free body diagrams to visualize the forces acting on the chandelier. There are attempts to calculate the angle of displacement and the corresponding forces in both the x and y directions. Questions arise regarding the role of the wire's length in the calculations and the derivation of the equations used.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their approaches and seeking clarification on the reasoning behind the equations. Some have successfully derived the necessary equations for the forces, while others express confusion about the derivation process. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is ongoing.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the chandelier is assumed to be stationary in its displaced position, and there is an emphasis on understanding the balance of forces without any acceleration occurring.

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Homework Statement



A 30 kg chandelier hangs vertically from a 4 m long wire. What is the horizontal force necessary to displace the chandelier 0.10 m either way?


Homework Equations



F=ma


The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to figure out the angle made by the change in the wire's position if the chandelier moved .1 m. I eventually got that the angle should be about 1.43 degrees. From there, I have no idea what to do. I never learned how to figure how much force is necessary to move an object a certain distance. Thanks for any help!
 
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Draw a free body diagram of the system when it is in the desired state. Label the forces and sum them up.

Since the object will not be moving in the final state, the net force must be zero. So you can calculate the the forces due to gravity and tension and they must be equal to the force you're looking for.
 
Ok so I set up a diagram. I have the weight of the chandelier going straight down (mg). I have the tension of the wire off at an angle in the first quadrant. I also have an unknown horizontal force that is perpendicular to the weight that's points to the right. Where does the length of the wire come in? I'm still kind of stuck at this point. Thanks for the help!
 
The forces in the y direction:

[tex]Tcos(\theta)-mg=0[/tex]

The forces in the x direction:

[tex]Tsin(\theta)=F_x[/tex]

You have to find [tex]\theta[/tex] using the length of the wire.
 
Ok I got the right answers using those equations for the forces in the x and y directions but how did you get those equations? I can't figure it out... Thanks!
 
jakecar said:
Ok I got the right answers using those equations for the forces in the x and y directions but how did you get those equations? I can't figure it out... Thanks!

Sum up the forces.

When the chandelier is displaced 0.1m, the 4m rope is at some angle.

The forces acting on the chandelier can be broken into those along the x-axis and those along the y-axis.

Picture a right triangle. The hypotenuse is the rope and it's 4m long. The vertical side is where the rope would be if it were hanging straight down. And the base, or horizontal side, is 0.1m.

I'm assuming that the chandelier is not swinging or moving; just that there is a force acting on it to displace it 0.1m, and keep it there.

That force is denoted by [tex]F_x[/tex].

There has to be another force horizontally to counteract [tex]F_x[/tex], otherwise the mass would accelerate. The only other forces are the weight, which is [tex]mg[/tex], and the tension in the 4m rope, which is [tex]T[/tex].

[tex]mg[/tex] is perpendicular to [tex]F_x[/tex]. But [tex]T[/tex] is at an angle [tex]\theta[/tex], which can be determined by the dimensions of the triangle.

Since [tex]T[/tex] is at an angle, it has both an x- and a y-component.

[tex]T[/tex]'s x-component is [tex]Tsin(\theta)[/tex], and the x-component is [tex]Tcos(\theta)[/tex].

So now we have two forces along the y-axis, and two forces along the x-axis. Since the mass is stationary, the forces have to be equal.

y-axis: [tex]Tcos(\theta)=mg[/tex]
x-axis: [tex]Tsin(\theta)=F_x[/tex]

Solve for [tex]F_x[/tex]

Dividing one equation by the other gives:

[tex]mgtan(\theta)=F_x[/tex]
 
Thank you so so so much!
 

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