Calculating Image Line Charges for Multiple Wires

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating image line charges for multiple conductors, specifically in the context of determining the capacitance of two transmission wires when additional conductors are introduced. Participants explore the implications of these additional conductors on the configuration of image charges and the overall capacitance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the addition of two more conductors affects the placement of image line charges and whether this can be analyzed analytically.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the conductors are part of a coaxial cable and inquires about the connections of the charges to a voltage source.
  • A participant clarifies that the conductors are connected to different voltage sources, complicating the analysis of capacitance and the placement of image charges.
  • One participant suggests using Gauss' Law to approach the problem but expresses uncertainty about determining the electric field near the conductors and calculating capacitance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to approach the problem, with multiple competing views on the configuration of the conductors and the implications for image charges and capacitance calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the configuration of the conductors and their connections to voltage sources, which may affect the analysis of image charges and capacitance. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps in applying Gauss' Law.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in electrostatics, capacitance calculations, and the application of image charge methods in complex conductor configurations.

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I have the below figure I took from my textbook from a section that explains how to calculate the capacitance of two transmission wires using image line charges.

line-image-charges.gif


My question is that if I add two more conductors like shown below, how would it affect the line image charges? I'm not sure how to figure out where the image line charges would go, or if this can even be done analytically.

line-image-charges-2.gif
 
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We just studied image charges in lecture and I'm trying to understand what you are trying to do. Are those two conductors inside the insulation of a coaxial cable? If so is +q2 connected to 1 and -q2 connected to 2 somewhere at infinity (like the same terminal of a power source)?
 
zetadin said:
We just studied image charges in lecture and I'm trying to understand what you are trying to do. Are those two conductors inside the insulation of a coaxial cable? If so is +q2 connected to 1 and -q2 connected to 2 somewhere at infinity (like the same terminal of a power source)?

Conductors 1 and 2 are two conductors on the same voltage source. The other two, -q2 and +q2 on the coax are connected to a separate voltage source. So all four conductors have different potentials. I am trying to calculate the new capacitance of conductors 1 and 2 after adding the coax part, but I just don't know how to go about this. I'm not sure where I would put the line image charges to create the four equipotential surfaces.
 
The way I understood it from lecture is that you have to draw the curves from which the charges are supposed to "reflect" along equipotential lines. Then those curves act as "mirrors" in optics.

I think it could be possible to solve this by using Gauss' Law. But I don't have any idea how to accurately get the electric field just outside each of the conductors. If you do manage to get Qenclosed, C=Q/deltaV.

Sorry I can't be of more help.
 
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